Comments on: Mr Ndebele, a Million Rand car is NOT a small token of appreciation http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/ Cartoon Blog on Politics, Economics and wonky Life in general Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:22:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: croix http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-10261 croix Tue, 22 Feb 2011 22:27:11 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-10261 What was Minister Sbu's occupation before being promoted up the order by Mr Sutcliffe of Dbn Municipality? Wasn't he an assistant in a library? Not bad going, hey? Shows you what a wonderful generator of wealth the ANC is - but unfortunately only for themselves and their cronies. What was Minister Sbu’s occupation before being promoted up the order by Mr Sutcliffe of Dbn Municipality? Wasn’t he an assistant in a library?
Not bad going, hey? Shows you what a wonderful generator of wealth the ANC is – but unfortunately only for themselves and their cronies.

]]> By: PM http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1771 PM Fri, 22 May 2009 09:54:50 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1771 Paradise Prince - I don't think the issue is about gratitude - it's about the scale and appropriateness of the gesture. Whether is 2 cows or a million rand car you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of what is over the top and what is not. The donors of the 2 cows may well feel their gift was equally valuable. The point is that reciprocation is some form is a fundamental element of human nature. I think it's better for officials to be barred from accepting gifts over R1000 altogether than to risk the possibility of corruption or imposed obligation later on. You <strong>cannot</strong> say with any certainty that Mr S'bu would not be influenced by this later on had he accepted the car and needed to make a decision involving the contractors later on. Paradise Prince – I don’t think the issue is about gratitude – it’s about the scale and appropriateness of the gesture. Whether is 2 cows or a million rand car you have to draw the line somewhere in terms of what is over the top and what is not. The donors of the 2 cows may well feel their gift was equally valuable. The point is that reciprocation is some form is a fundamental element of human nature. I think it’s better for officials to be barred from accepting gifts over R1000 altogether than to risk the possibility of corruption or imposed obligation later on. You cannot say with any certainty that Mr S’bu would not be influenced by this later on had he accepted the car and needed to make a decision involving the contractors later on.

]]> By: Paradise Prince http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1765 Paradise Prince Fri, 22 May 2009 09:38:52 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1765 To Tim and the rest: Curruption is bad that point is taken. But in this instance the gift was made in broad daylight buy a group which wanted to thank the man for having innitiated policies under which they beneffited. In our culture to thank a person is perfectly acceptable. The relavent question is would the recepient- in his position of authority - be induced to make decisions which would favour the giver. In this istance the answer is clearly no, because Sbu had left government & nobody new if he would be appointed to the Cabinet. As for the two cows which he also gave back I think that is REALLY is stretching things too far. If a person does a good job people are entitled to thank him in what ever way that they can afford. The good thing here is that cabinet will come up with Guide lines, which would help everyone I personally do not see what the contractors did wrong. To Tim and the rest: Curruption is bad that point is taken. But in this instance the gift was made in broad daylight buy a group which wanted to thank the man for having innitiated policies under which they beneffited. In our culture to thank a person is perfectly acceptable. The relavent question is would the recepient- in his position of authority – be induced to make decisions which would favour the giver. In this istance the answer is clearly no, because Sbu had left government & nobody new if he would be appointed to the Cabinet. As for the two cows which he also gave back I think that is REALLY is stretching things too far. If a person does a good job people are entitled to thank him in what ever way that they can afford. The good thing here is that cabinet will come up with Guide lines, which would help everyone I personally do not see what the contractors did wrong.

]]> By: Tim http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1741 Tim Fri, 22 May 2009 08:50:43 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1741 have you heard of "conflict of interest"?this falls suarely under that ctegory and there`s where the hullabaloo emanates from!It must now be investigated as to if were they all along bribing ministers anbd officials for th preference they enjoyed or were they granted contracts procedurally . have you heard of “conflict of interest”?this falls suarely under that ctegory and there`s where the hullabaloo emanates from!It must now be investigated as to if were they all along bribing ministers anbd officials for th preference they enjoyed or were they granted contracts procedurally .

]]> By: Dikmol http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1715 Dikmol Fri, 22 May 2009 07:34:10 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1715 Just love the South African democracy. The fact that the media could report i shows open democracy we should be proud of. Lets stop moaning about now, our democracy worked. Whether he would have ccepted the gift or not is besides the point now. It was a gift though. Just love the South African democracy. The fact that the media could report i shows open democracy we should be proud of. Lets stop moaning about now, our democracy worked.
Whether he would have ccepted the gift or not is besides the point now. It was a gift though.

]]> By: Paradise Prince http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1709 Paradise Prince Thu, 21 May 2009 14:19:44 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1709 You guys who are condemming the minister are all bloody mad. First this was not a particular company as some are saying it was a group of emerging contractors who were saying well done Minister keep up the Good work. Second, Do you guys have any idea at all of just how much money passes hands from contractors doing all kinds of work public officials even ministers in the so called developed countries which are supposedly the bastions of curruption free free eneterprise. People get real. Third, there is no law or regulation that say people who are leaving the public service shouldn't be thanked for a job well done( mind you nobody knew Sbu was going to be appointed at national level). Stop hating yourselves and our country. I say viva Sbu you should have kept the damn car You guys who are condemming the minister are all bloody mad. First this was not a particular company as some are saying it was a group of emerging contractors who were saying well done Minister keep up the Good work. Second, Do you guys have any idea at all of just how much money passes hands from contractors doing all kinds of work public officials even ministers in the so called developed countries which are supposedly the bastions of curruption free free eneterprise. People get real. Third, there is no law or regulation that say people who are leaving the public service shouldn’t be thanked for a job well done( mind you nobody knew Sbu was going to be appointed at national level). Stop hating yourselves and our country. I say viva Sbu you should have kept the damn car

]]> By: linda http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1705 linda Thu, 21 May 2009 12:47:30 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1705 he really did the right thing!! usually those in power usually abuse the civil servants by telling them not to accept any gifts . imagine if this was done by a civil servant he/she could have lost the job. so practice what u preach. he really did the right thing!! usually those in power usually abuse the civil servants
by telling them not to accept any gifts . imagine if this was done by a civil servant he/she could have lost the job. so practice what u preach.

]]> By: Shay http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1703 Shay Thu, 21 May 2009 11:26:53 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1703 Would S'bu have returned the gifts if the media did not expose the story ? Would S’bu have returned the gifts if the media did not expose the story ?

]]> By: Tannie http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1700 Tannie Thu, 21 May 2009 09:51:08 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1700 Eish, it must have hurt giving back all that lovely stuff. But well done, Min Spu. May your good example be followed by others. (Does Tony Yengeni read this column?) Eish, it must have hurt giving back all that lovely stuff. But well done, Min Spu. May your good example be followed by others. (Does Tony Yengeni read this column?)

]]> By: Tim http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/sbu-ndebele-million-rand-car-gift-vukuzakhe-ethics/#comment-1697 Tim Thu, 21 May 2009 08:01:06 +0000 http://www.wonkie.com/2009/05/20/mr-ndebele-heres-a-r1-million-car-as-a-small-token-of-appreciation/#comment-1697 Singh,I`m quite uncomfortable talking about other countries affairs{let alone the US}while our country is really ailing and sinking deep in troubled-torn waters! I also do0n`t see any comparison between America and South Africa or Zuma and Obama since we are in the league of Lesotho and Swaziland in terms of economy strength and rule. As for these gifts I cannot an inch agree with the givers that its an innocent gift.Even if it was the fact of the matter its that it was gonna bring the givers a fat check tax at the end of the year so its always questionable. I think this company must be reported to the Intelligence since there`s no doubt crime is committed here and to the Competition Board for inducing politicians to corrupt themselves by ensuring their benefactors get priority in granting contracts. Yes,the gifts were not for Ndebele but the one who get the Transport position and they need to ne quizzed to explain the reason behind this generosity if indeed it was! Singh,I`m quite uncomfortable talking about other countries affairs{let alone the US}while our country is really ailing and sinking deep in troubled-torn waters!

I also do0n`t see any comparison between America and South Africa or Zuma and Obama since we are in the league of Lesotho and Swaziland in terms of economy strength and rule.

As for these gifts I cannot an inch agree with the givers that its an innocent gift.Even if it was the fact of the matter its that it was gonna bring the givers a fat check tax at the end of the year so its always questionable.

I think this company must be reported to the Intelligence since there`s no doubt crime is committed here and to the Competition Board for inducing politicians to corrupt themselves by ensuring their benefactors get priority in granting contracts.

Yes,the gifts were not for Ndebele but the one who get the Transport position and they need to ne quizzed to explain the reason behind this generosity if indeed it was!

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