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Zuma polygamy

Zuma Leads the way with Polygamy

South African president Jacob Zuma married his fifth wife, Thobeka Madiba, outside his homestead in Kwazulu-Natal earlier week. Wonkie is experiencing a curious but not unexpected deja vu feeling given that it produced a cartoon on the same subject almost exactly a year ago (see the Zuma Polygamy Cartoon). In that article we responded to the Sunday Times’s judgmental Andrew Donaldson column on Zuma’s polygamy which was titled “Marrying beneath his nation again”.

So nothing has changed much in the last year – mostly the same boring opinions are being sprouted by the same unoriginal commentators. This time in the dim-bulb limelight is leader of the Christian Democratic Party, Reverend Theunis Botha. He said that Zuma’s traditional wedding on Monday “to a woman he is reported to have already fathered three children with, and the alarming return to ancestral worship is a giant step back into the dark ages.”

Claiming some moral highground by stating that monogamous marriages is more progressive than polygamous marriages is quite frankly nonsensical. Consider the following argument: As people become more spiritually evolved, the more likely it is that they will be able to accept others exactly as they are – without judgment. Another way of saying this is that as people grow, they accept others and their viewpoints. Wonkie hasn’t as yet found any polygamist activists making a big deal about how monogamy is such a backward way of life and that it should be banned for being such a morally reprehensible practice. Surely this would indicate that polygamists are in fact more open-minded, more accepting and thus more progressive in their thinking than the likes of Reverend Botha?

Here at Wonkie, we like to promote different perspectives and ideas to our readers. While we acknowledge that Zuma has certainly showered some moronic viewpoints to the detriment of the general public, his actions with respect to marriage are actually quite insightful.

As Darwinian as it may sound, Mr Zuma is an alpha male. In his circle, mostly South Africa, he is the top dog – the king of the pack. Not unlike what Tiger “Cheetah” Woods is to golf. In the animal kingdom, of which we are all a part, the dominant male gets to take first pickings when it comes to females. The genetic programming argument holds that the dominant male will try to produce as many offspring as possible – and generally does so, well – because he can – that is his destiny if you could call it that. If anything Mr Zuma is behaving consistently, and exactly as he should be in this instance.

Enough for now, rumour has it that President Zuma has already selected his sixth wife to be – stay tuned as this may well become an annual article published every January. Wonkie wishes Mr Zuma all the very best and hopes he will share the secret to keeping 5 mother-in-laws happy at the same time.

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  1. As long as we as africans stick to foreign practices we will always be victims of opporunistict deseas, because polygomy discourage cheating and infility. If we are serious about the fight against aids, we will start to go back to our basic traditional way of balancing nature as the ratio challenge us and no women want to have intimacey with animals. Wake up and get real

  2. Herman the German says:

    Culture and belief are two different things. It is alledged that Zuma recently
    had the “born-again” experience. That would mean, in terms of the Bible,that
    he would adhere to what the Bible teaches about marriage- one man to one
    woman.
    The word syncretism describes the mingling of different tenets of faith, i.e.
    Christianity and other belief systems or traditional forms of faith, such as
    ancestor veneration.
    There is also the point of a National Leader being supposed to be a role
    model for others.
    Is Zumas message to young South Africans “It’s alright to have as many
    marriage partners as you like/can afford/and be faithful to?

  3. Being Polygamous didn’t stop Zuma having sex with an HIV positive female so ,Vukile, how does polygamy discourage cheating and infidelity.Must be traditional

  4. its completely insane to have more than three wives even in our xhosa culture .I have a grandfather who had two wives already and now the family is separated in to so many diefferent groups .Maybe it was working just fine in the olden days where the women were obedient to respect their husbands even if they were not happy and there were no diseases like aids etc

    I WANT TO STATE IT OUT LOUD CLEAR THAT THIS HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR CULTURE BUT TO DO WITH PEOPLE WHO HAVE LUST AND WHO CANT CONTROL THEIR OWN SEXU…. DESIRES .ITS BAD BAD BAD EXAMPLE FOR THE GENERATION TO COME

    IS THIS THE MAIN REASON BEHIND THE DEMOCRACY TO BE FREE TO MARRY 6 WIVES .COME ON SOUTH AFRICANS LETS RESPECT OUR SELVES AND OUR COUNTRY SO THAT WE CAN SET A GOOD EXAMPLE FOR TOMMOROW LEADERS AND OUR YOUTH .

    I AM VERY VERY VERY DISSAPOINTED IN HIM BUT AS I HAVE SAID EARLIER ON THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY FREE EVEN TO CRIMINALS TO DO ALL THE CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES

    ONCE AGAIN I AM SO DISSAPOINTED IN OUR PRESIDENCY I AM A PROUD BLACK XHOSA MARRIED WOMAN I RESPECT AND VALUE OUR CUSTOMS AND TRADITION ALTHOUGH I REALLY FEEL THIS IS JUST NOT ON.

    ZUMA IS NOT HIGHLY A PROFESSIONAL I WAS QUITE SURE THAT HE WAS GOING TO PROVE FOR THE HIGHLY EDUCATED THAN GOVERNING IS NOT ABOUT SCHOOL ITS ABOUT HOW YOU VALUE EACH INDIVIDUAL S VALUE AND ABOUT PATRIOTISM.

    DO YOU THINK IS THERE A CRIMINAL OR A JUST AND NORMAL PERSON WHO CAN STILL RESPECT ZUMA .THEY ARE ALL ONE AND THE SAME THEY ONLY CARE ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS AND MONEY NO ONE ELSE.

    I WILL NEVER EVER EVER EVER AGAIN VOTE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO EMBARASS OUR COUNTRY AND PULL THE BLACK NAME IN THE MUD.THEY HAVE PULLED S.AFRICAN MAP ON THE MUD ALREADY WHILE SUSPECTED OF RAPE EARLIER ON BUT NOW DONT YOU THINK ITS ENOUGH ABOUT YOUR NAME ZUMA PLEASE BEHAVE MAN YOU ARE UOLD AS YOU ARE WHAT WILL YOU SAY TO YOUR CHILDREN?????????????? .

    THANKS TO TATU MADIBA FOR YOUR HARD WORK BUT NOW THEY ARE THROWING ALL YOUR SUFFERING IN JAIL INTO DEEPSEA END BUT YOU HAVE PLAYED YOUR ROLE AND EVERYBODY SING HANDS UP TO THE LET AND TO THE RIGHT FOR YOU.

    TO ALL SA : WOMAN WAKE YOU PEOPLE HOW DARE YOU THINK IN YOUR RIGHT MINDS THAT YOU WILL BE INA MARRIAGE OF 7 SISTERS OR COLLEAGUE WHATEVER YOU CALL YOUR HUSBANDS OTHER WIVES .YOU ARE JUST MAKING THINGS DIFFICULT FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN HE WILL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH TIME WITH ALL OF YOU BUT HE WILL RELIEVE ANOTHER ONES STRESS BY THE OTHER SO PLEASE STOP DOING ANTYTHING FOR FAME AND MONEY IT TELLS THAT YOU HAVE FIRST CHEATED WITH HIM WHILE MARRIED AND THEN MARRY YOU SO THE SAME IS GOING TO HAPPEN TO YOU.

    ITS CARAZZZZZZZY MAN IT IS ABSOLUTELY CARAZYYYYYYYYYY SOUTH AFRICANS
    WAKE WOMAN STOP BEING ABUSED BY MEN WHO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOU BECAUSE THEY HAVE MONEY YOUR BODY IS NOT WORTH ANY MONEY ITS WORTH BEING LOVED AND RESPECTED.

    THANKS CAPE TOWN ANC EX FAN (FROM EASTERN CAPE)

  5. Whatever the stance taken or wall hidden behind, our president must realize that it doesn’t make our country look good at all – quite behind the times in fact!

    And that’s not cool when we as a country are trying to pull ourselves out of the Third World ditch! :(

  6. why is it that people Judge other people…… remember you point at someone three fingers point back @ you… my parents are from polygamous families.. my dad practises it… so why is it a problem when Zuma does that?. @ Lolita the Spread in yourfamily is because you like it that way and not the fact that one of great great grandfathers had more than one wife….. you talk of the bible as if people in the bible had one wife… Noah etc… so stop Judging that is god’s duty….

  7. With the so-called modernisation of the now global community, specially the 3rd world to become democratic and liberal, its the done thing to replace our traditional values and practices with what the western societies do. So, marriages are lesser, divorces are more, living together is to be proud of. So is partying, drinking/drugs, and multiple relationships. Only, its kept secret to avoid complications. But its happening more than one can imagine. A lot of women are missing out totally due to social pressures, and polygamy is one answer to their plight. If the guy can afford to provide them a good home, hey, go for it! And love is a joke……

  8. Who paid for this whole affair, including the future upkeep of all the wives????

  9. pietpompies says:

    Hey, you talk about “keeping FIVE mothers in law happy”.How on earth does he keep Five wives happy plus those on the sly?

  10. For a black, Lolita, I fully support you and your morals. This is exactly what the Hindu faith practices AGAINST. I wish the country has more God fearing, sane thinking and morally correct people like yourself. Vukile Pambo – what are you saying? Do you even know how to spell? I doubt it!

  11. lotito
    thank u very much, i rule on that.

  12. let zuma die and see what happens , those woman are claiming to happy no one will be ok with sharing a partner

  13. To me polygamy implies you can marry as many as you like, these no limit. But can anyone in his rightful mind condone a man who marries infinitly many wives? So which means everybody would agree that there is a limit somewhere somehow – thus the big question is what determines the limit of number of wives one needs to take? To be able to answer that we’ll need to precisly know why a man needs a wife/ves and visa-versa. So I just want to ask Mr President one question: What is that that he truely and honestly wants/needs from a woman that cannot be satified by just one wife but, according to him, can only be satisfied by multitudes of wives?

  14. People tend hide behind culture.They forget that culture is dynamic.In a culture some of bad things are discarded.We cannot affort to put a nation in danger in the name of following a reckless practice.Obviously, as a husband and wives, there will be unprotected sex with the aim of falling pregnant.I dont know what a man is trying to achieve by marrying many wifes.

  15. amandla

  16. I don’t see anything wrong of what Mr. Zuma is doing. in the bible people who were powerful had many wifes even concubines and sometimes have intamacy with their slaves. What Zuma does its better than cheating and fatherless children. His children have a father not just a father but biological. White has colonians us for long and now their want course confusion to our people. Onething i don’t understand why they want question Zuma love life.

  17. Honestly there is nothing cultural about Zuma’ s problem with sex. I admire him for coming clean and living his true self. What really is an issue here is the quality of voters SA, and Afrika have. Damnt, I am an Afrikan and even at 12 years old I knew that a leader is one who has something to show to the rest. Zuma showed us all that he is a a f…er long before elections but still we gave him the mandate to f..k on.

  18. Well people don’t see the bigger picture. Lets question the King Zwelithini why he has so many wives? Because his a king he suppose to, well if you see it in that way you confuse then. Zuma has done nothing wrong. All of us black we are born on polygamy somewere in your family tree.

  19. I find it strrange really that we should be debating the correctness or fairness of polygamy. In terms of the South African traditional Marriages act, polygamy is recognised just as monogamy is, so why the farce? If you are interested in it, so be it. All partners involved are willing and consenting adults, if polygamy is for you, it is your choice. It is just as good in preventing irregular multiple parners who may expose you to all forms of sexually transmitted diseases. Hypocracy is a serious mental disease, those of you who are opposed to poligamy, can campaign to have the law amended or repealed, and good luck.

  20. Your (Wonkie) comment on spiritual evolvement, I presume, would be spiritual growth, if I read your words aright? Well now, how do you equate this with becoming non-judgemental? Spirituality is about keeping within the bounds of morality, which is, a sense of discipline, and that, my dear friend, is what being judgemental itself is about! A moral person would judge such an act as your column describes, as immoral, and would require discpline of themselves from becoming like that immoral so-called example.

  21. Craig you better shut up. Did you see anything wrong while you enslave us NO so please don’t come and tell us that it doesnt make our country good. Did it make it good while we were your dogs (slaves). Guys don’t you see what white people are trying to do.At first their complained about Tonny Yengene about his traditional feast and after that the Zulu Kingdom, Ukuhlolwa kwamantombazane etc..wake up Africans before it is to late. This is a new form of enslaving us again free your mind….

  22. It s a shame that our country is led by Zuma who projects a bad example to the society. Remember he slept with a HIV positive lady without a condom. Then took a shower. He is continueing to embarss the nation by practising polygamy.I am glad that he wants one term in office.He is aware that he has already embarassesd the nation.Polygamy has to be done away with due to risks of sexual infections.

  23. well i really dont think polygamy is that bad as long as all concerned parties are aware of what is happening. in Zuma’s case, every woman in Mzansi knows he is a polygamist so they know exactly what they are getting into. besides who are we to Judge

  24. bakenshark says:

    hilarious and as ever, on point wonkie!!!

  25. Guys, I do not think it matters what language you use to insult each other, the fact is this is a matter of law not discretion or morality, the debate is dead, poligamy is regulated!!!!

  26. Lefanzo aka Skoener says:

    Pologamy is ancient and an African tradition. So, for those who can afford it good because its conventional rather than adultery and fornication. Zuma is a staunch traditionalist so we should not condemn him on the base of his culture.
    Lefanzo aka Skoener
    Tembisa

  27. Well said Zweli

  28. No wonder the country is in such a mess.The president is too busy keeping his wives and his pieces on the side happy

  29. I trust he takes a shower between wives!

  30. Zweli and Bafana

    Guys you have put it very well. I can sympathise with women who emmotionaly engage on the subject and they oppose polygamy, however I dont understand when did marrying a person that you love becomes IMMORAL, somebody please explain that to me!!

  31. To me legal or no legal; what matters is, what’s the original purpose of marriage, if we can determine the real motive to marry you’ll realise that there’s no real need to marry many wives. If you take marriage as a pleasure/intertainment field then you’ll get more intertainers to yourself because no one can get enough of entertainment. But if marriage is a task to you then I don’t think you will even wish to toil tirelessly. Thus, is marriage work or intertainment to you Mr President?

  32. Ken since when you care about the country….you whith you knw exactly whats your agenda and we cannot allow you to control us about our culture…

  33. Well Lebo judging on your comment you still immature how can marriege be for pleasure/intertainment.

  34. African to us cheating is immoral but with white its moral because they do it behind their wifes. People you missing the point here Zuma did nothing here before he takes a wife he consult with his wives and get a go ahead….

  35. Polygamy is another sign of greed – you take more than you need while others can’t even afford. Greed is not virtue. In this perverse world greed is rife, you experince it in every aspect of our lives – there are those who have more than enough for themselves yet they don’t wonna share or at least help those who don’t have. Can Zuma, please, help me marry my one and only lady, I just can’t afford to pay her lobola let alone her dream wedding!!!!!!!

  36. It’s pleasure because it seems everybody seem to agree that is a legal and safe way of practicing fornication or adultery. So if people do those debase acts for pleasure and as another form of entertainment; then logically if Poligamy replaces those deboucheries thus is in its self a form of amusement to an individual.

  37. I JUST WANNA KNOW IF I’M PAYING FOR IT.

  38. vukile pambo

    The aids virus was traced back to chimps somewhere in darkest Africa. The HIV virus have no effect on chimps…but how did it get into the human race? Somebody in Africa must have had intimacy with a chimp to get the virus into the human race..the only other way is to perhaps eat the meat of a chimp RAW! Make your choice.

    After that, some englishspeaker was intimate with infected Africans and so the virus was spread around the globe.

    AIDS is just another pest out of Africa….looks like pests are the only thing Africa successfully produce.

    I wonder if I will ever find a reason to say something good about Africa and it’s upsidedown people..;)

  39. Bafana, let me teach you a lesson or two about life: in life there are wrong things that can be justified by logic or legislation. e.g. Murder/Death is wrong, we are saddened by it regardless how young or old, good or bad the deceased was, yet by law we can justify the killing of criminal by police as they embark on their shoot to kill campaign let alone deliberate executions commited by law. Similarly, divorce is bad, it has a lot of negitive impact yet it’s legal. Even in the Bible, divorce and poligamy where permitted but God made it clear to us that those things are wrong( read Deuteronomy 17:17 and Malachi 2: 16) and they will remain wrong even today.

  40. Herman the German

    If zuma had a “born again” experience, he would be telling the world about it and would no longer missuse his power to protect other corrupt idiots like himself by getting doctors willing to lie about shabir shake-shaik “incurable” disease in order to get him out of jail!

    Secondly, all religions may intemix and get mingled like you say but it is impossible for a born again christian to worship ancestors or to mix his belief/faith with any other bull-story called religion!

    Oh, just for the record, all so-called “christian churches” are also just bull-religions like any other religion. Born again christians ARE the real church and need no temple/building/church to worship God as they are the only ones who are His children and worship Him in Spirit and truth!

  41. Bafana

    We who know africa and it’s bizarre practises know very well that having a lot of wifes and a few dozen children is just for business….the more the children to sell when they grow up, the more the lebola.

    Seeing that zuma could not even run his household budget and needed shabir shaik-shake as financial advisor to maike ends meet, chances are good that getting more wifes to generate more children to sell, was advise from shabir! :)

    So let’s all act african and blame shabir for zuma’s behaviour. ;)

  42. Bafana

    One good thing you did was to admit with your remark on Ken Pagel’s remark that it’s part of african culture to make a mess of everyhing you “try”.

  43. GUDLADY
    Of cource you are paying for it! Zuma is well known for not being able to balance the books of his household. He should have been wearing a overall and gumboots as a “broom operator” keeping the streets clean but, because of his part in the so-called “strugle” he is now earning the salary of a president!

    Take note: The fact that he is sitting in the presidents chair, does not mean he IS a true president…he’s just another zuma who can’t work with money in any other way but getting it stolen or paying bonuses to state employees who got fired because they were too useless and stupid to do the job – like this previous ceo of the SAA :D

  44. Phumlani

    Talking about “love”…what a happy day it would be when zuma decide to love honesty as much as he loves woman! ;)

  45. Lefanzo aka Skoener

    Apartheid NEVER was the reason why africans were about 4000 years behind the rest of the world..it’s the african culture/tradition that is to blame. Let’s all just hope his wifes don’t carry all the babies on their back for the first year after birth ( the traditional way it’s done in africa) so they can at least see futher than the (traditional) 2 inch space form the baby’s face to his mother’s back…and I am convinced they will be more brainy than their dad!

    It’s that two inch space that is to be blamed for the fact that ESKOM was unable to plan ahead! ;)

  46. Zweli (January 7th, 2010 at 12:38 pm ),

    It is clear that zuma has multiple sex partners all the time and he just marry them afterwards to ensure he can no longer be blamed for rape or being imoral…fact is, this woman already had a couple of children whom zuma believes/hope he really is the farther…or…does it even matter to him as he is propably just trying to “in” some lobola one day in order to solve his finacial problems! :)

  47. Craig

    If you voted “YES” in 94, you did not vote to pull the country out of the third world ditch, but voted to pull a first world county back into that third world ditch!

  48. lolita

    Next time you go to the poll, don’t vote for such people!

  49. lolita

    Next time you go to the poll, don’t vote for such people! Just like a leopard can’t change the spots on it’s skin, traditionalists can’t change their way of (non)thinking.

  50. it is his culture,zuma follow his culture buy doing that,in south africa, we have got right to do what u want u to do

  51. Thomas Baloyi says:

    Yaaaaa, people, if you could visit statistics or current demographic structure, you will learn that Zuma still have to marry again to be fair to the high number of woman to their male counterparts in all age categories, go to the Hospital now, more girl babies are born than boy babies, so, aaaah, more males are further dying than females, the Bible said at one stage, it will be one man versus seven wives, perhaps the ratio will be balanced. As of now, really it’s unfair to one or another staying with one wife whereas more women are suffering from the lack of this man ‘basic need’. Yes, Aids is there, but the male to female ratio is also not balanced. Let Zuma go on. However, taking the same route need one to be extra carefull when it comes to the dreadfull pandemic.

  52. Thomas Baloyi says:

    Just submitted my comment and please, I would love to hear from others my email, if there are follow-up comments.

  53. k. Janaki vallabhan says:

    Well done Mr.President! You have shown the world how a President should be! Keep it up ! I appriciate your initiative to lead the South Africa to be the No.1 country in ther world with HIV patients. God save your country !!

  54. We had a rabbit at home when I were young with the name Zuma. Could have
    been a look in the future.

  55. What can we say to Jacob Zuma? More grease to your elbow. Though hardly can one follow his example, at least he is not keeping secret wives like other leaders. This makes Zuma true and different man.

  56. Azwindini says:

    Zuma is a disgrace. Likes living large. What with a bloated cabinet – and now yet another wife! I hate him I am forced to foot the bill for his extravagant life style. Tax payers have to fork out more towards the Zuma household now.

  57. Thomas Baloyi
    Where did you get the stats you refer to? In south africa not even the calculaters can’t count…no stats can be trusted ( specially the crime stats ) and when I go out, I find that the ratio is about 20 males to one woman (well that’s the case between whites as I refuse to go to multi-racial hellholes).

    If your so-called stats that more females are born are true, I praise God for it because most of the crime in south africa are committed by black males.

  58. Bafana (January 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm )
    Truth is that Africans are enslaved by foolish traditions; not by whites.
    The tradition to be lazy, untrustworthy, criminal minded and dishonest was the reason for apartheid being introduced UNDER ENGLISH RULE in 1912..Nothing else.

    The tradition to have as many wives children as possible (to one day sell the females and hoping for old-age pension from the males) without feeding them properly is another one that enslaved you blacks.

    The tradition of mothers to carry a baby on her back for the first year of his life until the next unplanned baby arrives, is the reason why the majority of blacks have an IQ of only 70 and are unable to plan into the future. How can a child who only has a two-inch vision for the first year of his/her life develop intellectually? This is one of the African traditions that have the most negative effect. In this modern world we need people with brains to get the job done not just a bunch of labourers. (Having a labourer as president result in a Rhodesia turned into a Zimbabwe and a first world south Africa turned into a third world within only 10 years – the prove is in the pudding right in front of your eyes!)

    The tradition to turn to ancestors is another one..How can an ancestor who could not even see the light in the past enlighten your future? How cans your ancestor who did not even dream about the knowledge you have today, advice you on your future?

    The tradition to dance on every occasion is another one…how can you know what your leaders plan/think/say if every political gathering is just another singing and dancing session?

    At the end of the day it is tradition that cause you fools to burn the putco bus today because it was late and tomorrow dance in the street to complain because there are no busses! It’s the two-inch vision of the baby that cause you to steal the fence alongside the highway and to dance and complain tomorrow when your kids are killed by a car on that same highway! It’s tradition that cause you to steal the cables controlling the railway system today and cause you to burn the train tomorrow because it was late because of the missing cables and that cause you to dance in the street and break windows a week later because there are no trains left!
    It’s tradition that causes you to vote for an idiot to be a councillor today and to burn down his house a week later because the idiot can’t get the job done. It’s tradition that causes you to vote for a criminal today and to dance in the street tomorrow because he is corrupt and enriching himself.

    I can draw up a list of foolish acts that will keep me writing for the next few months to show to you that you enslaved yourself by just plain and simple being super-stupid!

    Stop blaming whites all the time and least of all the Afrikaner, but take a look at yourself! You will soon discover that you suppressed and disadvantaged yourself while the englishspeakers told you to blame the Boertjies!

    Think about what I am doing here on wonkie and you will discover that I am the one that loves you by telling you the truths that will free you from yourself! It’s the englishspeakers who make a point of it to soothe your ears all the time that really hates you and who are the real suppressors/enslavers~!

  59. @Dirk – On behalf of the black population of South Africa I would like to thank you personally for showing us the light. Without you we will surely have remained ignorant with a 2 inch vision and the savage criminals we black people are born to be.

    I think you have made your point so you can stop repeating yourself now as even the most stupid of us get your message loud and clear. Thanks again.

  60. Since when is polagamy legal in South Africa???

  61. I believe evrytime mr President gets married he must pay lobola and most of u knows exactly up to how much is lobola costing one of these days .

    so now tell me how much lobola has he paid it already what else can be achieve d with that money.I dont want to go as far as to remind him his promises but just out of ubuntu can he just think about it.There is old aged homes ,there is hiv aids orphans there is a lot money that could have been achieved by that money

    Once more to Sa women .

    Is it because Zuma is a president and have all the monies in the world that you prefer to be unhappy with the husband that have so mny wives than waiting for the right time to have a husband that will have a quality time with the family.

    Imagine as busy as he is with work do you think he can make time for all of his wives or he will only just come to make kids and go.

  62. Call it tradition, call it culture. In my book it is the behaviour of a sex-crazed old man. Too busy with his bedroom activities to stay focused on the job he is paid to do. He doesn’t even have time to memorise the endless speaches somebody else writes for him. Will the person who is actually running the country please stand up! No one? No wonder wee Julius wants to take over.

  63. FULLY AGREE WITH YOU SOMETHING IS COMPLETELY WRONG WITH THIS MAN .AFRICA BACK TO GOD OR PERHAPS TO YOUR SENSE OR UBUNTU

  64. My antivirus 2010

  65. Who cares, it is his right and who is ACDP leader to question this using the bible where men of God married hundreds of women. He uses the bible selectively to suit his arrogance.

  66. Leonecole says:

    Lolita, you’re the only one with sense. En jy ou Dirkie, jy’s totaal van die spoor af.

  67. thise man he is african and he is doing his culture so we must not bother ourselsf while we hav are own downfall.and he never say all south african must do what he did.

  68. How many people can the world carry? How many people can fit into a taxi? How many can fit onto a boat before it sinks? If omly half the worlds population are women where will the other wive come from. No wonder Africa is the way it is.

  69. He is unfair and greedy

  70. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    Zulu polygamy is merely a glimpse at the rich tapestry of human culture. I see nothing wrong with it, and from a purely social perspective, there are benefits to having a large extended family. Whereas children in my demographic are being reared by their video game systems, mp3 players, cellphones and television sets (instead of either of their working parents), rural Zulu children can depend on a network of mothers, aunts and siblings (and let’s not even forget the family-orientated clans). Granted it’s not all rosy, there are serious health risks associated with polygamist cultures, especially amongst rural and poverty stricken people. There is always potential for abuse or even exploitation.

    I wouldn’t personally want to have more than one wife, but that’s got a lot more to do with my western liberal sensibilities, but I won’t in good conscience deplore the practice by others (male or female). What happens amongst consenting adults is their business (provided it’s not to the detriment of themselves or their children).

  71. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    Dirk are you trying to rewrite history again?

    Apartheid was not introduced under British Rule, my old bean. The Union of South Africa much like the vast majority of post-19th century colonial territories (that includes Germany old bean, look at the atrocities that were committed in the old South West Africa) were a terrible place to be if you were either black or aboriginal (the pass laws etc.) (that’s why colonialism was so bad), but the legislation of maintaining minority rule and the principle of separate development (i.e. Apartheid) was only introduced after 1948, when the Afrikaner Nats came to power.

    The Union was definitely not a cup of tea for non-whites, but at least Coloured South Africans could vote (given restrictions etc.), and anti-miscegenation laws were not yet a feature.

  72. Ol' Pliny says:

    Themba, polygamy is an arrangement by randy men – not God, who said, “A man must stick to his (one) wife. Gen 2:24 Jesus confirmed this at Matt 19:5
    The Bible merely mentions that men like Solomon had many wives, but nowhere does it approve of this arrangement, which came into existence long before the law was given to Israel. The Apostle Paul also admonishes that overseers should have one wife only. (1 Tim 3:2) Stick to your traditions if you must, but leave the Bible to those who read it.

  73. These women are able to refuse the advances of an old man. As they are probably uneducated and subservient they feel they need the protection of a man. No wonder they succumb to the old man – not the greatest-looker either! Any woman with self-respect would refuse to be number two or three or four ad infinitum ………….

  74. I think poor Dirkie is lost to the debate, we are debating poligamy here, not racism and afrikaner racists. He either sticks to the topic or stop spewing obscenities about how stupid africans are. Before he engages in the racist diatripe he intends to engage in he must read history and preferably the one written in english or other languages other than afrikaans, that will help him understand the world, and how capitalism and racism have ganged against africans. First by dispossessing them, then enslaving them and eventually attacking their culture with a foreign religion and non-existing theories of inferiority and white supremacy. Gees man get a life! does he think there is any african who is stupid enough to believe that afrikaners or boertjies love them, sies youn have no shame. Your beef really is that you do not rule this country anymore and you never will. You messed it up with out the assistance of africans, why worry when africans mess up their own country? by the way no african invited white people including afrikaners to come to dark africa. They on their own accord and they can leave anytime they want including Dirkie. We do not need anybody’s sympathy, germans messed up germany, it is their country, why worry, Italians messed up their country with mafias and all, why worry it is their country. So much said, I think Dirkie will stick to the topic or go home and enjoy some brandewyn and koeksisters.

  75. Well, if we wish to remain in the “Dark Ages” and our President demonstrates that our country is still there. Then, what does the rest of the world make of it? Come on SA move in to the real world instead of continuing to be looked upon by other’s as only a partially, modern civilised country!

  76. TiredofthisCrap says:

    There’s very little about South Africa that is “Dark Ages” Peter, now if our country promoted or demanded strict adherence to one distinct religious doctrine, or had a ruling class of aristocrats, who owned all the land , while the vast majority of us where left working on that land (as serfs), than yes I would say you have a point.

    What we do have is a president who whether rightly or wrongly is asserting his “Africaness”. However… quite frankly, whether or not Jacob Zuma takes another three or even 50 wives is ultimately immaterial to the fact that South Africa is a modern west-orientated CIVILISED DEVELOPING African DEMOCRACY, with trading partners from the EU to the nations in the East.

    I am by no means Pro-Zuma, but he is a nice change, from the almost dismal neutral grimness of the Mbeki years, who quite frankly was “the whitest black African on this continent”.

  77. TiredofthisCrap says:

    @Moxie

    Beauty is ultimately in the eye of the beholder. The obvious corollary could be that Jacob Zuma could look at you and utter unto himself “Eish, shame wena, she has the face of a dog”.

    Food for thought :P

  78. TiredofthisCrap

    Phew! What a relief! You had me worried for a moment.

  79. Dirkie is a racist Dutch who does not fit in today’s SA society.He has a very small mind like that of Verwoed and his cronies who thought apartheid was a sustainable policy(oppressing of the majority by the minority).That was not a 2-inch but a 0.5 inch vision.He sounds very much like a non-achiever and for sure he must be blaming that to blacks.Brilliant whites seized opportunities of the new dispensation and are getting along very well.You are busy calling Africa “dark”.You left your bright west to this land uninvited.Don’t you know the way you came with?If you think Africa is too dark for you then go back to your bright dutchland.

  80. Hi Guys
    I think we all got the chance to comment in which ever way we liked as the saying goes on free democratic SA with rights to anyone to raise his/her personal views .I think its about time wonkie give us another topic to discuss.
    What do you think guys?

  81. Ol' Pliny says:

    Dearly beloved N,wa-Nghala,
    Please take brother Zweli’s advice and stick to the subject matter, IE: Encore wives.
    How can Dirkie go back to his Dutch land when he never left it?
    Tell us whether you agree with polygamy or keep quiet.
    Quite true LOLITA! The Dispatch moderator should really block comments from all racists.
    If not, let us boycoytt the blog – finish and klaar.

  82. Ok we’ve veered off topic significantly from polygamy and point taken to all those that have made it – it’s definitely time for a new cartoon (although Wonkie did say it’d put them up twice a week on Tuesday and Thursday – read our New Year’s resolutions)!

    There’ll be a new toon up first thing tomorrow morning so stay tuned! PLEASE no name-calling, slandering and dumbass racist comments (remarks like all blacks are stupid fall in that category and will be deleted)

  83. I think polygamy is better than the western practice o f marrying and dirvorcing again an again, thats is worse. it just creates alot of (steps)! steparents and millions of stepchildren. at least with zuma. the are all zuma children with one dad! and the women are wives, there are no secret mistresses hidden in townhouses and no customers for prosties!

  84. Tiredofthiscrap

    If it was not for being agains apartheid, then why was the ANC launched in 1912? This is exactly what i am trying to pouint out about you englishmen…the fact that you are such smoothtalking liars.. come lets hear from everybody around what they think the reason was for the ANC in 1912 other than apartheid?

    The treatment of aboringines and others you refer to…were all the acts of the so called “gentlemen” from that Island called brittan! Since 1948 only culprets were treated like they deserved to be treated. You wanna paint a picture as if those “atrocities” wre the order of the day but you are a coward english liar! There is not one here who can say that he /she was treated badly for no reason at all – thos who were treated harshly were criminals and terrorists and if I wre in charge those days, not one of them would have been alive today to poison society!

  85. Who are they that criticise the President’s morals? Leave the President alone. There are over 75% married couples over there secretly having extra-marital affairs. These hypocrites have several children out of marriage who end up suffering because the so called official wife cannot accept them to share in the estate after their father’s death. These secret ‘affairs’ change from day to day. This is a more serious risk to the spread of STDS than Polygamy which is a public commitment of a husband to his wives and family. Come on be serious, get real and dont abandon our down to earth tradition for the present hypocritical system of marriage.

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  87. Good people .Stop these racist comments this is not about the colour its a public general discussion Please dont come and take out your frastrations on this subject.I f you racial issues abused or whatever you cal it please go discuss with the truth commision this is not the truth commision.THANKS ….

  88. lolita

    So what is it you want us to do here…lie? Even the so-called “truth commsion” does not understand the meaning of the word “truth” :)

  89. Guy I need us to discussed about the kings of yesterdays and the current ones now…its we change the topics

  90. People who are in denial about polygamy are cynical of other people’s culture and tradition. It was instructed by God in the old testament, from the days of Abraham, Ishmael, Jacob, so, its our culture and it is Godly.
    Skoener aka Lefanzo

  91. Ol' Pliny says:

    Skoener,
    Polygamy was never part of God’s original purpose for mankind,
    but he permitted and regulated it under the Mosaic Law,
    knowing that the Israelites would in any case do according to their desires.
    In the same way that he knew they would eventually reject him
    as king over them. (Deut 17:14; 1 Sam 8:7)

    Jesus pointed out that God made man and wife not wives.” (Matt 19:4)
    The apostle Paul also said that those seeking office were to be
    husbands of one wife. 1 Tim 3:2 and 12
    The scriptures record many instances of strife and jealousy in multiple marriages,
    EG: Elkanah, loved Hannah the most (1 Samuel 1:1-5)
    Jacob also loved Rachel more than Leah. (Gen 29:30)
    In any case, as usual, the culturists, bigots and the unreasonable
    again claim to have won the debate. (if you can call it that)

  92. Anne-Mari says:

    Zuma your message to the youngsters of South Africa loud and clear!!!
    Sleep with as many women as possible, you will NOT get AIDS!
    “Look at me, I am the leader of a country and you can all do as I do!!”
    Well, Mr Zuma, you truly have no brains and you are so far away removed from God and His direct instructions in the Bible.
    Wonder if you even have a Bible?
    Or did your ancestors tell you to take what you can, and make as many babies as possible, because if you die of AIDS there will be a well educated white skins to take of your responsibilities!
    Or is this the way to teach your young fellow S Africans to make as many babies before they die, because the whites will raise them, another way of distribution of wealth, make the whites poor, yes they will become poor looking after all the AIDS children you people leave behind because of brainless thinking.

    Eze 33:26 – Julle steun op jul swaard, julle doen gruwels en verontreinig elkeen die vrou van sy naaste—en sal julle die land as besitting ontvang?

    (KJV) Ye stand upon your sword, ye work abomination, and ye defile every one his neighbour’s wife: and shall ye possess the land?

  93. The one bible that I read my dear sister Anne Marie does not separate the whites from blacks neither boere nor any race .My sister you need not to play with the bible when you want to raise your racial issues .Who told you that the whites will raise Zumas Children not Blacks.

    I know and I agree Zuma is completely wrong but please stop using racial issues in this subject it has got nothing to do with colour of the skin.

    Stop being racist and talk about the bibble in an honest truth that we call as hypocricy.
    Christians must always forgive and forget to set an example to the other people who have not been raised up with Christ.I really dont like playing with the Bible .But I do like you my friend and I do believe you have made amistake .so please my friend.

  94. One more question for you Elmarie:who told you that Whites wont have Aids?

  95. Wena Almarie what exactly are you trying to say? Obviously out of your feeling of racial superiority you are saying that whites are looking after us(blacks).You love yourself to an unacceptable extreme.How possible it is that a racist like yourself can look after a child of a person that you hate and despise so much? You definately are not even remorse of the satanic brutality that your forefathers have perpetuated agaist blacks of this country for so long on their own land.It is extremely brainless of you to see the world the way you do.

  96. Anne-Mari says:

    Shame Vukile, you are trying to say polygamy will stop men from cheating on their wives, please do not make us women laugh, they will have 20 and still look for more. You go guys, nature will do the sorting out of this game, watch you will see!!! Play with fire and burn your fingers or shall I say penis! Go ahead screw and go wild, you and those like Zuma will only destroy yourself.
    Just a pity there are some stupid women around falling for jokes, “I love you only my dear!” At my age we’ve learned, NEVER EVER trust those words. Imagine having 4 husbands, I can sit on my backside with purses of 4 men. Hell what a live that would be. You go guys, do your thing, the only thing you know best, screw-up!! Spread the AIDS not the Word! Soon the weeds will wither and die, without any weed killer. Self-destruction!!

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