Obama Mosque cartoon

Obama Mosque cartoon

Obama and the 9/11 Mosque

One has to admire US president Barack Obama for steadfastly holding true to American ideals. Not many would be brave enough to even consider allowing a mosque to be built near the ground zero site where the 9/11 terrorist attacks left their mark on the Manhattan landscape. Mr Obama has not only considered it but he has also decided to endorse it.

Mr Obama’s comments on the subject has sparked a national debate in the USA. Is what Mr Obama is doing anti-American? How could he allow something that could likely be construed as a tribute to the very religion whose fundamentalist followers orchestrated the most significant act of terrorism in recent times – and that too against the country he leads? And so what if it is on privately owned land – should the American people not have a say on what happens there?

Wonkie thinks that Mr Obama made the best decision – in fact, he had no real choice but to take the exact decision he did. Commentators in the US and around the world may debate about the (in)sensitivity of the decision, whether it is the right thing to do or not, or even whether Mr Obama is a scholastic idealist lacking the political savvy to make practical, real-life decisions. None of that commentary and rhetoric should really matter when the president of a nation has to make a decision of this sort – at least not if he is worth his salt. Mr Obama’s duty is to uphold the Constitution and protection of all the citizens of the USA.

He has to, by the very nature of his job, be less concerned with public sensitivity on issues and more concerned about protecting the rights of the American public.

Consider for example, that Mr Obama had decided to oppose the building of a mosque near the ground zero site. The scale of that decision would in effect have marginalised followers of Islam in the USA. If a church or synagogue could be built on that very site without opposition, on what real grounds other than pure religious discrimination could Mr Obama oppose the building of a mosque? How American would that be?

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  1. bakenshark says:

    well said wonkie!

  2. Would have done the same if I had to decide…although I’ve not caught this story in the news anyway…the bit about the mosque that is…I guess topical given the location of wonkie authors…and if you look at it even beyond doing what was right in terms of the American constitution…I think it can be ultimately seen as the highest forms of both Christianity and Islam if the mosque is built too…won’t bother to explain…

    In the case of the whole Pakistan floods bit although it is only mentioned in the cartoon and not the write up…well I’ve been personally thinking how sad it is…and it is worrisome too that so many calamities in the world back to back that the world charities have gotten fatigue! I know for Haiti everyone was all crazy giving…I opted out after my few txt msg donations because I realised there was going to be a glut…but now there’s Pakistan and…I have personally thought Pakistan to be a failed state for some time now and don’t know why they don’t just chuck it in and join back with India…but I should be worried how I type that! But if they continue to decide to rough it out on their own well the people must really need help…

    And to be honest when I heard bout world charities having disaster fatigue and giving floodings in Trinidad too well I was wondering if the cartoon with Chuck playing with the Gods wasn’t true! In a serious way…

  3. At last, a sane politician. Well done Mr Obama, perhaps one day your name will be added to the list of Mandela, Mother Theresa and Ghandi. We salute your very wise decision. Mandela said “Make your enemy your friend, and ruin his reputation.” Fantastic good news today.

  4. bullshit,what’s wrong with President Obama,you got to curb these hypocrites,ground zero is a place where 3000 americans lost their life ,don’t tell me it’s just a segment of muslims that did that.

  5. Okay! Question, needs an answer! Is America a one religion country, because I see that article says that building a Mosque was anti-American. Were Mohammed Ali and Malcolm X not Muslims?

    I just need an answer. PLEASE!!!

  6. I have no problem with building a Mosque near ground zero. Just the same as I would have no objection to building a cathedral in Saudi.
    Where could we have building plans passed in Saudi to do this?

  7. Thank God, Mr. Obama is the President of USA. Wonder what he would have done if he were to be India’s Prime Minister. I agree that one should respect everybody’s religion but with this decision Mr Obama is only trying to win over the religious zealots who have time and again sworn to destroy America. Mr. Obama this strategy will not work and tread cautiously. I am sure there will be a lot of hatred towards muslims when in future someone reads history even which Obama is going to a be a part of.

  8. In my country we had a referendum then majority rules – so how can a president and his Cabinet decide surly the majority of the people have the say if not then majority rule is a word without any meaning or power and just a tool of convenience

  9. Sure, why not allow the Muslims to build a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York?

    But the condition for this permission would be to allow Americans to build a Jewish Synagogue at Mecca. To quote the “Wonkie” Editor: “On what real grounds other than pure religious discrimination could Muslims oppose the building of a Synagogue? How Islamic would that be?”
    My word to the Editor is: “Wake up chum and smell the Kahki Bush. Life is a two way street.

  10. Obama suffers identity crisis syndrome where he has threee identities and now these clash with his objectives.

    This mosque will lead to him l.osing the whitye woman he claimed brought him up and doesn`t want to lose contact with her since she`ll be among the whites who will be opposing a mosque erected on that site.If he changes his deciosion and move the mosque he`ll be alienating himself from his adopted community.

  11. I am confused! Why oh why , Obama ??? This will be the end of him for sure.

  12. Barak Hussein Obama – wondered when he was going to start showing his real colors!

  13. Showing compassion to a terrorist murder got what , in the case of the Lockerbie disaster. Meghri got a hero’s welcome in Tripoli, Watch the celebrations if the Mosque is built. The score will be 1-0 to the terrorists.

  14. donald south africa says:

    why not, what is so wrong about/with ISLAM, these racists who r against it, don’t they know that Abraham was the father of three religions namely, islam,judaism and christianity. if they idiolize Abraham so much, then why not embrace all that is his.

  15. Naman Obuyi says:

    Mosque is a religious place for worshiping their God and therefore it should be respected, that is a good thing he did.

  16. Deena Naidoo says:

    Hey Soutie and Ron, you’ll have a chance in hell that these Muslims will ever allow any other religious centres to be built in any of their countries. Muslims want to take over the world. So there, ANC. Sorrrrrrrryyyyyyyyy!!!!! You’ll lost out, besides with the amount of money the Muslims possess, they’ll probably be able to buy you’ll, and, donate you’ll for free. LOL.

  17. War no more says:

    Before pointing a finger at Obama for disrespect to 9/11 victims, understand that the 9/11 event was orchestrated by the US govt itself – check out the hundreds of videos, articles etc available on the Internet proving that heinous slaughter of innocent victims was an inside job – a deception that US citizens are increasingly demanding be investigated.
    We are all children of God, and there will be no peace until we stop hating each other, and learn to live in harmony, whatever our colour or creed.

  18. Ol' Pliny says:

    Why half measures? How about allowing:
    A Taliban landing strip next to the Pentagon.
    An Iranian MIssile site on Manhattan.
    Tents for Gadaffi and visitors on the White House lawns.

    America abandoned the silly religious system
    some time before Nancy Reagan consulted
    astrologers to assist Ronald’s decision making.

    Seeing that God forsook them, in Korea and Vietnam, they
    no longer honour him on their filthy dollars with the words,
    “IN GOD WE TRUST”

  19. Naman Obuyi
    I Love your sentiments about the Mosque being a place of worship.
    So too is a church and a synagogue. So whats the problem of allowing a Synagogue to be built in Mecca? Or haven’t you heard: “What’s good for the goose, is good for the Gander.”

  20. Phillip Nalana says:

    As much as the American people looking at Islam as religion associated with terrorism, this will allow the Americans to avenge terrorism on other Americans. Nigeria for example.

  21. I do not agree! It is too soon for a mosque to be built anywhere near Ground Zero. Perhaps in the next century. What about the families who lost their mothers, fathers, sisters and brothers on that day. There are thousands of them. I predict Obama will be a one term President!

  22. Reginald,
    If in the name of Allah four thousand souls were brutally murdered at 9/11,
    then surely it would be insane to build a mosque literally 600 metres from Ground Zero?
    Americans showed sufficient restraint by not burning down the 100 Mosques in New York, immediately after 9/11. I believe that this Mosque is just another slap in the face of Americans and I would strongly suggest that Muslims don’t push their luck too far. Some Americans might look at the Mosque and say: “Pay Back time.”

  23. Just try build a church in a muslim country and you will understand why I say it is very anti American to allow this to happen. They can go around the world taking advantage of this pathetic liberalism that has become the latest to do among western nations and if you even take a bible into their sandpit you’ll be castrated! @ Moxie I predict Obama is the start of Socialism come Marxism! Oh and just another spoke in the wheel of Novus Ordo Seclorum!

  24. IN AS MUCH AS I’M NOT DOWN WITH ISLAM I THINK THE FUNDAMENTALISTS ARE NOT REALLY ABIDING WITH THE TEACHINGS OF THE RELIGION (ISLAM), FOR FAIRNESS I DO NOT SEE ANY WRONG DOING WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA’S DECISIONS, I BELIEVE HE SHOULD BE COMMENDED FOR THE BRAVE ACT. NOW, THE TRUE FOLLOWERS OF ISLAM SHOULD KNOW THE REAL ENEMY LIES WITHIN THEM.

  25. @ OL’ Pliny. Yup instead they boast the phrase beginings of a new world order and a picture of the eye of the pyramid

  26. Hi Ade,
    What you say is correct, in that the true followers of Islam should know that the real enemy lies within them. But! If we look at the history of those who are promoting the Mosque, their track record is not all that desirable. The other problem is Obama. Who when speaking to a reporter spoke about “My Muslim faith.” Was that a slip of the tongue? He also claims to be a Christian yet in an open speech he runs down Leviticus, Deuteronomy and the very words of Jesus in the Sermon on the Mount.
    WOULD HE DARE RUN DOWN THE WORDS OF MUHAMMAD. I have yet to hear.

  27. outside Africa says:

    “Don’t pee on my leg and tell me its raining!”

  28. It’s too bad the President didn’t lay out all the facts

  29. Muslims have the right to build an Islamic center near Ground Zero. That does not necessarily mean it is the right thing to do

  30. Not every Muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim

  31. For me its not about nine double one but peace,tranquility and privacy and freedom of expression.

    Its not fair to be disturbed by loudhailers in meetings or quiet and peaceful moments or in the early houirs of the morning!Of course this is a very good question;would arabs or hindus allow jews to set-up church in their midst?Yes,America belongs to no-one but taxpayers of all hues but the area mentioned is nort a Muslim area but public area.

  32. Ol' Pliny says:

    Lloyd, my gardener gets R120 a day, two good meals, a room with toilet
    and an annual bonus in December. He works from 07:30 to 16:00 which
    includes an hour break. He gets many presents, some of which I even
    transport to his house. He often brings various appliances to be repaired
    free. On rainy days I let him go early.

    After a few years, he recently began coming late, claiming the taxi go an overlaoding fine.
    or puncture, or due to worker strikes. He sleeps after lunch until I wake him.
    After many warnings, I told him last month that, if he keeps taking advantage of my tolerance
    I will make him sign a register and deduct the money for times he is late.

    In an attempt to instill values, I reminded him that I could have made him work longer hours.
    Also that I was not under obligation to give hin a bonus, nor to provide overalls, medicines,
    leather gloves, eye protection or dust masks, etc. Instead, his reply was: “Other people also
    give me things. I never asked you for anything.”

    I said, “OK, from next year (2011) I will call in a garden service, and give you notice
    in December. He said nothing, but during the past two weeks, he arrived at 07:10,
    ate his breakfast and knocked at the door at 07:25

    The point being, I was too liberal too long, which he took to be a weakness.
    America should have taken the opportunity to demand something in return.
    A contract of peace, or the mosque comes down. But they wont. The days of presidents
    such as Kennedy, who stood up to the 1997 Cuban crisis are long lost in liberalism.

  33. Hi Ol’ Pliny,

    You have my sympathies friend.
    But take care. You could find yourself being boiled in Tar
    should you wish to fire him/her.
    You need protection and that is a Job Description. It should be in English and in his/her language and signed off by both of you in that you both fully understand the contents in the Job description.
    Failing which should you wish to fire him on any failing on his/her side, without a Job description you could lose your case in court.

  34. Ol' Pliny says:

    Thanks for your advice Ron, I could well have been tarred – perhaps feathered as well.
    I did take precautions years ago, drew up a contract and entered his job description.
    I also pay his unemployment and provide a payslip.
    (A comprehensive program I wrote myself, containing many features even graphs)

    It was just a threat I made which I have decided to abort. He works well and is very reliable.
    He is never absent. At this stage we have both learned a lesson.

    Which brings me back to the point I made about the USA. To give is charitable. To forgive is divine.
    But, he must be punished. (The same way as the mosque must come down if Muslims renege)
    There will be few presents for the time being. Now, in case some out there think this is spite,
    blame God – he does the same. (Ex 34:6,7) He may forgive, but not before punishing.

  35. President Obama is obliged to serve the people of America irrespetive of their religious beliefs I think he has done a good thing as a leader. We should also note that the decision is definately not a unilateral one. There’s a saying ‘ If we allow the law of eye for an eye we will all end up blind’ well done Barrack.

  36. Hi Ol’ Pliny,
    For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it. Mat 8:9
    And that’s why servants get paid.

    Hi Makabeni,
    Obama might rise 1 notch in my estimation, should he ever produce his Long Birth Certificate.

  37. Obama must complete his term and walk since he`s more of a playboy than a politician.Does he has a military background?I think not due to his childish performances.If he stays longer he`ll deliver America to the dogs just like the rulers of South Africa did!

    He has no visions or objectives but …as it comes!If Americans felt the need to be ruled by a black person then they should have looked to Republican blacks and I would have opted for Powell because of his long history of military carreer!

    The problem that afflicts the continent its not hiv-aids but leadership crisis so instead of worrying about hiv projects leaderships he should be worried abou politicl leadership n the ontinent to lead the continent out of its current fracas.

  38. Tantroo_McNally says:

    Exactly because the actions of a Al Quada Muslims, all should be barred from building Mosques in a 700 block radius from ground zero.

    Just like all Christians should be barred from the funerals of soldiers for the actions of Westburo Baptists Church.

  39. donald RSA says:

    TIM the racist listen: 1. south africa was not delivered to the Dogs, it was our emancipation from beings like u, 2. americans had no NEED to be ruled by a Black, it is called VOTING, 3. Powel saw it coming and he RESIGNED, Bush stayed on and he is gonna face the courts sooner or later. 4. Hiv-Aids affect all including you. 5. what does military career has to do with leadership? every wise man/woman can be a good leader.( MANDELA,GHANDI etc.) did they do the military shit, most of American presidents who had that kind of career started unnecesary and costly and evil wars. they r the axis of evil. Think wisely bro, without prejudice.

  40. Die Waarheid says:

    Obama se poes man… Anyway, 911 was an inside job orchestrated by the US government itself (source: The Obama Deception, Zeitgeist)…. can’t blame it on the Muslims.

  41. Ol' Pliny says:

    Ron, I never bothered to read the legal documents pertaining to employment
    of domestics available on line, as things in legal jargon bore me no end with
    the unnecessary use of complex phrases, seemingly designed to intimidate.

    While selecting older emails for erasure, I reflected on your words:
    “Job Description….should be in English and in his/her language”

    In my contract, this is on English only, because our gardener is fluent in that, and he fully
    understands all things explained to him. The contract was explained in detail to him in the
    presence of a witness. Before letting him sign the document, I asked him if he fully understood
    everything explained to him, if he was happy with it all, and whether he had any questions.

    Considering the circumstances, do you still think it necessary for the job description to be in
    his language as well? Apologies to all for drifting off topic.

  42. Ol’ Pliny,
    Morning Ol man,
    Well if the witness signed the JD that would strengthen your case.
    I guess if he is fully conversant in English, there should be no problems.

  43. Ol' Pliny says:

    Thanks, Ron. The late arrival and negligence has been an incurable constant
    feature during his fifteen year employment. He discovered that a minute
    earlier every day goes unnoticed over the months. I expect the same.

    BTW, I often make jokes about Used car salesmen, Lawyers and Estate agents. Mostly on
    account of those who bring disrepute to the profession. This week the first car salesman that
    I contacted about purchasing a new car, did not take into account my requirements, and ignored
    that I am cash buyer, by telling me that he can arrange finance, and tried to sell a used lemon.

    But, I have had met many good people in those occupations. Car salesman Johnny Hartzenburg
    has gone to PE. Attorney Houzet, who may be dead by now, refused additional payment for kind
    services beyond what was required of him. And Sandy of Rencon refused to accept payment
    for a evaluating my property. Such people restore the faith lost by others.

    Apologies to all again for going off topic.

  44. donald RSA

    TIM the racist listen: 1. south africa was not delivered to the Dogs, it was our emancipation from beings like u,WELL,IF THAT`S YOUR PERCEPTION OF DOOMSDAY THEN GOOD LUCK…MAN! 2. americans had no NEED to be ruled by a Black, it is called VOTING, OBAMA HAS SAID HIMSELF THAT HE WAS BLACK,MUSLIM AND WHITE BY THE VIRTUE OF BEING BORN BLACK,ADOPTED A MUSLIM FAITH AND BEING RAISED IN A WHITE HOME SO HE STARTED THE BASLL ROLLING IN RACIALISING THOSE ELECTIONS THAT LED TO HIS POWER ASCENDENY3. Powel saw it coming and he RESIGNED, Bush stayed on and he is gonna face the courts sooner or later.yES,pOWEL IS A SEASONED SOLDIER AND THERE`S NO WAY HE`LL RULE WITH A WET-BEHIND-THE-EARS oBAMA WHO IS NOTHING BUT MAMMA`S BOY IN THE KITCHEN! 4. Hiv-Aids affect all including you.wHAT IS A pRESIDENT DOING FIGHTING HIV-AIDS WHEN HE`S SUPPOSED TO BE CONCENTRATING ON NATIONAL SECURITY.HE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE QUESTION OF MILITARY INTERVENTON AS A CORRECT WAY OF BRINGING ABOUT STABILITY,PEACE AND HARMONY 5. what does military career has to do with leadership? every wise man/woman can be a good leader.( MANDELA,GHANDI etc.) did they do the military shit, most of American presidents who had that kind of career started unnecesary and costly and evil wars. they r the axis of evil. Think wisely bro, without prejudice.THE REASON MANDELA WAS DOOMED AND DISML ITS PRECISELY HIS LACK OF A MILITARY BACKGROUND.IF HE HAD IT HIS FIRST TASK WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TO LINE HIS BCK-POCKETS WITH CPITALISTS/COLONIALISTS BLOOD-MONEY BUT TO UNLEASH A POWERFUL MASAI{COMMUNITY SOLDIERS}TO PROTECT,DEFEND AND SECURE TH BLACK PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY IF THE THIRD FORC E INTNDED TO DOWNTROD THEM.pOWELL WANTED GANGSTERISM ERADICATION TO BE THE FRST ITEM ON OBAMA`S LIST OF PRIORITIES AND WHEN THAT DID NOT HAPPENED HE REALISED THIS WAS ANOTHER CAPITALIT APPARITCHIK AN HE EXITI

  45. Nev Shepherdson says:

    This decision by President Obama is discraceful and will win him no American or European allies by endorsing this application by people of the same faith that took the lives of so many innocent Americans and others.

  46. Well the latest from USA citizens who support the Mosque, is that the constitution gives them the right to build a Mosque and they should simply go ahead and build it.
    Now that may be well and true, but that does not give them the right to build it any where they like. Permission must first be obtained from the authorities.
    Any sane advice to a politician who wishes to remain in office, would be to listen carefully to the wishes of the Voters, before he stretches out his hand to quietly accept a handout.
    As for me, if the Mosque is going to be 15 stories tall, then let them build it in the Hudson River.

  47. In as much as the American people will praise Obama’s actions,he has continually failed them in a number of issues…back to subject….. Some people might see the move as a counterterrorism plot(by the way, “terrorism” is not real) by the Obama administration ( the :terrorists” cant target any area or building near a mosque if they are muslims). I believe this is a publicity stunt that will help boost the ratings in respect to how the administration upholds the Bill of Rights.
    Only time will tell if the endorsement was worth all the trouble, or lack thereof, to follow.

    I still maintain that if you tell a people the same thing over and over again they will start to believe it is true……

  48. That was a true leader in a decisive action and the constitution of the USA was well represented there and then.

  49. Bullshit!Obama has never sanctioned to building of a mosque anywhere,he`s not about to do so-nor will he do so!

    Obama waas asked if would he agree to a mosque being built on the site and he said personally he would have no problem with that…depending on a number of factors and circumstances of course!

    Germany permtted the scientologists to setup shop in Germany for as long as they abide by its constitution and when it discovered that they were engaged in unsavioury activities it banned them and attempted to prosecute them!

    This will be a process that will take many years to finalise before a permission can be granted.Its a matter that is outide of Obama`s hnds since it will be alt wih by local authorities and it will be permitted on the approval of local peopl since they will be invited to approve or dispprove!

    You south africans are in rut and crisis and you should be minding your own affairs and let external forces mind their own.

  50. Ol' Pliny says:

    Wonkie, it’s my honest frank and sincere opinion that you should not have said:
    “Wonkie thinks that Mr Obama made the best decision…”
    Why not simply present the facts and allow readers to express their opinions?

    Apart from the many sycophants in this world, there will always be those sheepish
    (as opposed to sheeplike) ones, who take everything they read in the press to be verbatim.
    This is one of the reasons I neither support or oppose the so called ‘Freedom of the press.’
    Nor have I any incentative to use your ‘Say no’ sticker. In my opinion, the press possibly do as much
    harm as any good they may lead us to believe with their crusades and exposures.

    Show me a reporter that will presents facts other than that which is known to be in opposition to
    the purpose of the journal that pays them. That’s how the freedom of the press really works.
    Obviously, you are working on the emotions of the readers rather than appealing to their common
    sense. Obviously, your paid columnists will rush to suppport you as in the Chiel column.

    It’s just not bourgeoise to flaunt your disrespect for law and order. It will only undermine the cause
    you are trying to get us to follow. Be neutral and you will gain more respect from all sides.

    Take for instance your article on the Gonubie car washers. Why openly imply that motorists should
    keep resisting Municipal by laws. You do this by mentioning the names of those who support the
    washing of vehicles in public places. I really doubt that those people would be happy if some car
    washer sets up his business in front of their homes, and draw water from their taps.
    The argument that people will still waste water by washing elsewhere is so stupid and one sided.
    People or garages that use water washing vehicles pay for it. Car washers are stealing water.

    How on earth can you point fingers at corrupt officials and report on the crime situation, when you
    are in fact undermining the attempts of the government to restore law and order?
    You are sowing the seeds of anarchy and you can expect to be silenced.

  51. A militarist ruler have the best interest of his country,infrastructure,people at heart and would a black militarist have taken over from Bush his priority would have been to fight and eradicate gangsterism because gangs posed more threats to civilians than terrorists.Today the Bronx and Harlem would have been better places to live in for black and even the Hollywood black who left them would hve been considering returning.

    Ol`Piny!I`m gatvol with your nonsense of maliciousness towards blacks where it has now become quite obvious that to you blacks are econ-class citizens!I refer specifically to your topic about your gardener which I fin too patronising an undermining.Do ou think we`re stupid in that we don`t know that the receiver is making good every penny you spend on him!?Its not philanthropy or generosity but business by a very shrewed,unscrupulous and deceitful caricature.

  52. ok now am a bit confused…almost every time Obama makes a speech, he mentions God, how we should love and help one another and now he builds a MOSQUE! for muslims (terrorists) not to mention the site, people who are agaisnt God. i understand if hes trying to bring unity amongts Americans and muslims, but atleast not like that.why obama? wasnt there any other way?@naaido and johnny, am 100% with you guys, i quite have a feeling that muslim will soon take over, bit by bit, just watch.

  53. Thought you might like to read this letter to the editor of a British national newspaper. Ever notice how some people just seem to know how to write a letter?.

    Here is a woman who should run for Prime Minister!

    Written by a housewife, to her daily newspaper. This is one ticked off lady.

    ‘Are we fighting a war on terror or aren’t we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores in July 2002, and in New York Sept 112001 and have continually threatened to do so since?

    Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day in London, and in downtown Manhattan , and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

    Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn’t they?

    And I’m supposed to care that a few Taliban were claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation they come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

    I’ll start caring when Osama bin Laden turns himself in and repents for incinerating all those innocent people on 9/11 and 7/7.

    I’ll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading in Afghanistan

    I’ll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg’s head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

    I’ll care when the cowardly so-called ‘insurgents’ in Afghanistan come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children.

    I’ll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of Nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

    I’ll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the lives of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

    In the meantime, when I hear a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

    I don’t care.

    When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take this to the bank:

    I don’t care.

    When I hear that a prisoner – who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and ‘fed special food’ that is paid for by my taxes – is complaining that his holy book is being ‘mishandled,’ you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

    I don’t care.

    And oh, by the way, I’ve noticed that sometimes it’s spelled ‘Koran’ and other times ‘Quran.’ Well, believe me!! you guessed it ……

    I don’t care!!

    If you agree with this viewpoint, pass this on to all your E-mail friends. Sooner or later, it’ll get to the people responsible for this ridiculous behaviour!

    If you don’t agree, then by all means hit the delete button. Should you choose the latter, then please don’t complain when more atrocities committed by radical Muslims happen here in our great country! And may I add:

    ‘Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. Our soldiers don’t have that problem.’

    I have another quote that I would like to add, AND…….I hope you forward all this.

    Only seven defining forces have ever offered to die for you:

    1. Jesus Christ

    2. The British Soldier.

    3. The Canadian Soldier.

    4. The US Soldier, and

    5. The South African Soldier

    6. The Ghurka Soldier

    7. The Australian Soldier

    One died for your soul, the other 6 for your freedom.

    YOU MIGHT WANT TO PASS THIS ON, AS MANY SEEM TO FORGET ABOUT ALL OF THEM.

    AMEN!

    GIVE THIS LADY A STANDING OVATION. SHE HAS INDEED TICKED ALL THE BOXES
    Isn’t it interesting that so many people in the Western World feel this way, but not one of our politicians, who are supposed to represent us, ever have the guts to state the situation like it is ???

  54. Ol' Pliny says:

    Ron, I sigh heavily every time someone in these discussions complains about
    quoting scriptures. It’s like a death wish – fighting against their own security.
    People need to read all four gospels as well as all Paul’s letters, and those of John,
    James and Jude and not just claim to be Christian.

    Wearing a cross, attending a church or even praying, does not make one a Christian. Christianity is a
    way of life. True Christians tolerate other religions but do not capitulate with them. 2 Cor 6:14-18
    Muslims also do not compromise their beliefs, but remain very intolerant towards others

    There is no other book in this universe that can compare with the moral laws of the Bible – Especially
    the command ‘Love thy neighbour as thyself’ Not even the Koran has that command. Some have indeed
    tried but have failed.

    For instance, 700 years before Christ was on earth, Confucius wrote, “Do not do to others the things
    you do not wish them to do to you.” Some may not notice that Confucius spoke negatively.

    When Jesus gave his famous sermon on the mount, he said, “Whatever you want men to do to you,
    do also to them.” (Math 7:12) It’s positive ‘to do’ things. The only time Jesus used the words, “Not do’
    was at Matt 23:3. He told his disciples to ‘observe’ all things that the Scribes and Pharisees tell them,
    but not ‘to do’ according to their works.

    During the early reform years, groups broke away from the dominant Catholic Church for various
    reasons. Some were against the wearing of the surplice, many were horrified by the burning at the
    stake of those who questioned their teachings, or even read the Bible. The point being, the reformists
    objected and acted by disassociated themselves from the main body.

    All the Muslims living in America, England and even here in South Africa, maintain that they do not
    support terrorism. If that is really true, why do they not either speak out, or form a neutral Islam?
    They would surely gain much trust and enjoy the same tolerance as do those in the Hindu faith.

    Thanks for sharing your last message with us.

  55. Hi Ol’Pliny.
    The Big question today is:

    “What think ye of Christ?”

    We all need Him in our hearts and not our heads.

    Invitation: “Come join me on “All About God”

  56. Ol' Pliny says:

    Ron> We all need Him (Jesus) in our hearts and not our heads.
    Well, everyone should ask themselves, “Why am I a Christian (Muslim, Hindu
    Buddhist, etc…) ? And what has my religion done to improve my life.

    Seeing that only the first two are involved in this forum, let’s hear some sensible answers
    from the Muslim folks. Keeping in mind that it’s no good loving God yet continue to be wicked
    and have little regard for those who share your world.

    The objective of choosing a religion should not be to wipe out all others, but to attract people to
    what is believed to be mankind’s only hope for unity, peace and stability in this world.
    Should any religion not meet those standards, it’s nothing but a waste of time and effort.

  57. M Obama wiseman u are thnx for uniting the world

  58. Ol’Pliny – You are partly right when you say:

    “The objective of choosing a religion should not be to wipe out all others, but to attract people to what is believed to be mankind’s only hope for unity, peace and stability in this world.”

    The problem is, that there are hundreds of “Man made” Religions” Some of them have hope, peace and stability, that can leave people confident that they are on the right path. Therefore just on face value, a religion may look terrific, but not be related to God at all. (The way to Hell is paved with good intentions)

    Naturally it is easy to pick out the religions that fail hopelessly in the way they treat their fellowman and their idea’s on what God requires from His followers..

    Where Islam fails is that they don’t realise when a man is “forced” by threats and pain of death to become a Muslim, or has to pay a tax not to become a Muslim, THAT GOD WOULD REJECT THAT CONVERT ANYWAY. God is not in the business of forcing people to follow or love Him. God wants His followers to have come to Him by faith and their own free will. Who wants a Bride that has been forced to marry you?
    Islam fails hopelessly in this and Muslims need to question themselves on this issue and take a second look at beheading a man or make him pay tax because he won’t believe in Islam .
    Any man who accepts the Muslim faith under these conditions simply behaves like a “Wind up doll” that says: “I love you”.

  59. Ol' Pliny says:

    Ron said:> Ol’ Pliny you are partly right…
    That was wishful thinking which is why I used the words, Mankind’s only ‘hope’.
    This world is beyond saving. Liberalism killed it. It nullified the need for the
    United Nations, and the World Court is a dream turned to nightmares.
    Criminals and murderers get free board, TV and diplomas while in jail for a few years.

    Take for example the Entebbe affair. Idi Amin was a mass murderer and ethnic cleanser. (Indians)
    He should have been seized, tried and executed before the situation worsened. The world was horrified
    when Dora Bloch who was taken to hospital during the raid, was dragged screaming from her bed
    and was executed along with the resisting doctors and nurses. Idi had the temerity to take the Israeli invasion up with U.N.

    UN secretary Waldheim, as well as the Arab and Commie block denounced the raid as a violation,
    whereas most of Europe and the UK sided with Israel. Yet, while that matter was still being discussed,
    Idi massacred hundreds of Kenyans living there, believing that Kenya assisted Israel.

    When the coup came, he became a Muslim and Saudi Arabia protected him till he died.
    The captain of the invading plane was a hero. He risked his own life by refusing to leave a few
    hostages behind. For that, he received a reprimand from Air France, and was suspended.
    Here in South Africa you have…, ag man, ever mind.

  60. I think it is a very bad discision because of the militant Muslim state of thinks in the Middle East. And the fight is about JErusalem and the name of that city does not appear once in the Quaran? but but 814 times in th Bible and 617 times in the Tenach and as Salem once in the Torah but never once in the Quaran/ Makes you think doesn’t it?

  61. YEE MAN…YOU KILLED PEOPLE THE WORLD OVER IN THE NAME OF RELIGION SO WHAT`S THE FUSS ABOUT ISLAM.APARTHEID RULERS METYED-OUT TERRORISM IN THE SADC STATES IN THE NAME OF RELIGION,ISRAEL AND ITS ALLIES WHO SUPPLY IT WITH WEAPONS ARE MASSACRYING PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF RELIGION-SO CUT THE CRAP AND BE REAL…MAN…

  62. The problem is the situation is real. But the outcome is also sure. Read Ezekiel 38-39 the winner is……………….

  63. I think Obama is a dummy for building a Mosque. Why does it have to be a religious center? Why not a building that will add hundreds of jobs?

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