Zille Malema deathmatch cartoon

Zille Malema deathmatch

Helen Zille vs Julius Malema Celebrity DeathMatch

Helen Zille has come under fire once again for stating some facts about Jacob Zuma. Wonkie honestly has no problem with Mrs Zille’s objections – that is after all the role of the opposition in government. In most cases her objections, comments and observations are sound. But in terms of pure political strategy, she may was well be writing the book on how to lose friends and alienate people at this point.

It appears Mrs Zille totally ignores the real consequences of what she says and has questionable political aptitude to get things done – particularly, if she expects voicing every objection is going to make a difference. She needs to have a strategy of what she wants to achieve with each objection and voice it at the right time in the right way, and then only if there is a high probability that it will make the desired impact. She can certainly learn from Mr Zuma who in stark contrast keeps his mouth shut, despite all the objections stacked against him, and successfully managed to manouvre himself to his end goal.

While Mrs Zille’s latest firestarter comment is not dishonest – viz. that Mr Zuma put his wives at risk of contracting HIV because he had sex with a known HIV-positive young lady without a condom – the question is what value does it bring to herself politically and for South Africans in general to raise this point in this way now? The answer is NONE: she’s done nothing to promote condom usage by her statement; people that used to like Mr Zuma still like him; people that didn’t like Mr Zuma still won’t like him – and neither of these latter points are consequential to anything in South Africa right now.

Julius Malema and his equally bright colleagues at the ANC Youth League on the other hand still continue to make racist, sexist and blatantly inflammatory, stupid remarks. Earlier this month Julius called Zille a racist little girl which is tame compared to some of the comments made this week by the ANCYL. Surely Mrs Zille can charge them with crimen injuria at the very least after their recent scathing personal comments against her and her team.

In international news and perhaps more importantly, Julius Malema and ANCYL’s idiotic comments are raising some critical issues on the validity of Darwin’s theory. Geneticists all over the world are closely monitoring the situation and are hoping dangerous elements in the ANC Youth League gene pool wipe themselves out before a set of rogue, violent DNA proteins contaminate the general South African public.

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Comments

  1. Isaac Plaatjies says:

    Its a pitty that the Wonkie team has decided to ignore Zille’s “all-male, white dominated” cabinet. If this was anything to do with Zuma or the ANC, they would have done a juicy story on it only the following day. Now, Zille’s new ‘all-male, white dominated’ cabinet has been in the lime light since last week but Wonkie is interestingly very silent on it!!
    Even this article of today, demonstrates clearly on which side of the political spectrum the Wonkie team is walking. Instead of exposing Helen Zille for what she really is, Wonkie rather balances its act by putting her up against Malema. Really bad taste i must say, especially since Malema and Zuma have both already been beaten to death by Wonkie. Wonkie is indeed Anti- ANC.

  2. @Isaac – If you read the President Zuma cabinet post you’ll see that Wonkie is quite optimistic about the new Zuma team. For us the issue with Helen Zille is not the all male cabinet, excessively white team (for now). Like Mr Zuma, we expect she will have picked the best people for the job – let’s give her a chance just like we’ll give Mr Zuma’s team a chance to deliver. If either don’t deliver Wonkie will be sure to beat them on their heads with a cartoon.

    For Wonkie, the irritating thing about Zille is she is still trying to promote anti-Zuma sentiment and this achieves nothing for South Africa now. The election is over and she should be trying to support him in all ways possible. And sure, if there is something worth objecting to or commenting on for the good of ALL us South Africans she should raise it – but not this nonsense of objecting to everything with no end purpose that she’s currently doing. I trust you will agree this is a bigger overall issue about Zille rather than her choice of team for now?

    To be clear, Wonkie is not anti-anything. We are pro-South African. If people in power regardless of what party they belong to do things that are not in the best interest of all South Africans, they will get bashed here – we don’t care if it’s ANC, DA, FF, or whoever else.

  3. Its high time that Zille scale down her critisism of President Zuma and his ministers. She has the vital task of running the provincial government with all the considerable effort she can put in the task – as she demonstrated during her election campaigning.
    Zuma has declared that he will not tolerate inefficiency and incompetence. Maybe he will demonstrate this to all of us. If Zille continues to overplay her hand at criticising the government through petulent, overbearing political opportunism and arrogance, she will rapidly alienate her support base, and that would be dangerous. It would also show an intolerable level of insensitivity to DA supporters.
    She is no longer on an electioneering campaign. Her top priority now is good governance of the Western Cape, for all its people, not just her voter base.

  4. If the composition of the Western Cape executive is anything to go by, then South Africans should gear themselves for a regression rather than progression. Given Hellen Zille’s overzealousness and times pomposity, one expected that she would blaze the gender and race trail. The DA’s choice, no matter how hard it will try to spin, betrays its contempt for racial and gender equity. The people of the Western Cape deserce better. The DA’s choice suggest that there are no women and blacks of substance in at least the DA’s ranks, let alone the entire Western Cape. The DA has failed the representivity test and i shudder to imagine how it will fare vis-a-vis sterner tests.
    It is regrettable that in a single swoop, the DA has rolled back the important gains that were made for racial and gender equality since the adnet of democracy in SA. It is dragging our country back into the stone age and Zille’s retort that her choice represented “the best fitness-for-purpose match i could found” is but a reflection of a party lacking depth. It is scraping the bottom of the barrel.
    I connot agree more with Cosatu’s Tony Ehrenreich’s doubts regarding the appointments having anything to do with ability, “as i know them to be not the sharpest knifes in the drawer”. The DA’s claim to be the most representative party and having all the answers to the challenges facing our country is a fallacy. The predominantly white and male provincial executive attests to this glaring fact.
    It is indicative of a party suffering from leadership kwashiorkor. Hence it is unable to present the Western Cape with a representative leadership core. Its scramble to hoax other parties into forming a coalition government could not have been an honest gesture of goodwill to realign politics.
    It could only have been an act of desperation. Does this mean that the bubble has burst? Time will tell.
    Meanwhile, the DA will be well-advised not to throw stones.

  5. AS far as I got the story, Zille was only defending her stance on the all male cabinet by saying that Zuma’s record of gender sensitivity is not good either. She didn’t start this thing. However, I agree that she should choose the time and place for some of the statements she is notorious for.

  6. thandeka nyawo says:

    poor Zille i think she should stop worrying about other peoples bussinesses and focus on her male dominated cabinet pity people can not see how much she loves males especially the ANC hunks no wonder she is single i doubt there can be any man that can stand thet psycho woman i mean she even faked her own looks even a 2 year old baby can tell thet she is fake

  7. i had hopes that zille was matured but it seems she needs to retrace her steps and stop fighting shadows,jz has won and she should be a hero not by objecting to his every move but by making her province the best,she should work hard at improving her state so that by her progres SA can have confidence in the DA and herself.

  8. Poor zille I think it will take her a million years or until Jesus comes to acknowledge
    the fact that President Zuma is our president including her. I’ve been observing Julius Malema’s political growth and development. The conclusion is, it is far much faster than that of Helen Zille. Maybe Zille should swallow her pride and do the following.
    1. Go down the DA ranks and become its youth leader, because even Wonkie realised it that is why she was pitted against Julius. Wonkie is very fair, he pits like against the likes.
    2. Attend ANC’s political school, it is then that she can make meaningful and constructive criticism. It is hightime that she changes sounding like a pappegai repeating the same thing over and over again.
    I’m telling you the next words that might be coming from her mouth will be criticising Malema for sayimg that he will kill for Zuma.

  9. .. Hmmmm ..

    HAHA who needs to see the Circus …

    .. Just Watch some TV.. and you will surely have a good laugh as they make a SA look like a Clown show ..

    Personally .. I think That the ANC can Make A difference ,
    But!!!!!!! …. NOT with some of the Clowns we have within the ANC ..

    and I am referring To Julius Malema …
    He is An EMBARRASSMENT the ANC and To South AFRICA as a whole …

    How Are we to look to the rest of the world , with people like Julius Malema ..

    .. I believe the ANC should Get Rid Of People Like Julius Malema .. AND start Building Up South Africa with quality people!!!
    Not Rubbish !!!

    This is a democracy !!!! And it NOT a DICTATORSHIP-ed Country

    Love Live South Africa …
    In Peace and Good governance and prosperity !!

  10. Dithabana says:

    Is Wonkie in the politics of opposition or just positioning themselves?

    What FACTS is Wonkie referring to?
    Would Wonkie bother to, perhaps, categorically lay out those “facts” for us to identify about JZ as per Helen’s letter to the Politicsweb or the Sowetan?

    I thought Wonkies’s was to make fun of our politicians without leaning to either side. Obviously I was being stupid to think of Wonkie as politically independend as it came out, though in a subtle manner, that Wonkie is in the business of pushing DA politics as “FACTS”.

  11. Dithabana says:

    Would Wonkie care to make fun of the “all male, white dominated” cabinet of Zille, please?

  12. @Dithabana – if you actually read the cartoon and the post you would realise that it is hardly complimentary to Helen Zille or the DA. And yes we are making fun of all politicians – Zille and Malema in this instance.

    We’re not talking about Zille’s letter in this article, just the contentious point the ANCYL are up in arms about – Zille’s statement that Zuma endangered his wives by having unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman. Mr Zuma admitted he had unprotected sex with an HIV positive woman – did he not? Yes, he did. In doing so, he did endanger his wives – did he not? Yes, he did. I hope that is categorical enough for you.

    Dithabana, Jomo: the issue for Wonkie is the value of Helen Zille raising this point in this way now – Zille’s action achieved nothing that benefits the South African public (except for the opportunity for us to create and you all to read this cartoon!) She really needs to be smarter about what she says, what she objects to and when she does it if she wants to win the hearts of all South Africans. Do you agree?

    @Renama – good comment – thanks and I think you express the right attitude here!

    @yabatho25 – 100% right on! Apply for a job as Zille’s strategist – I think she could use your input!

    @Mphepo – I hear your concerns about representation but let’s leave race aside and give Mrs Zille a chance to deliver the goods – just as we’re giving Mr Zuma a chance to deliver for South Africa. Remember if she fails with her non-representative team the public will be harsher against the DA in the next election and not allow them to take power again. That’s democracy right? For now, lets suspend judgement and give her a chance to see what she can do for us.

  13. gillkitty says:

    Zille’s timing was shocking. Why bring up Zuma’s colourful past now?
    As for her male cabinet – I reserve judgement. I believe the best man/woman for the job.
    Julius and now Floyd will become loved by all because of their comic contribution. They’ll delight in being outrageous, and we’ll all love them to bits.

    C’mon.. admit it

  14. For Heavens sake, the election is over. Will you all please get a life and stop the war. There is much work to be done to get this country going again. The time for petty bickering and childish one-upmanship is past. Helen, please behave with the dignity expected from one in your office. You have been wallowing at Malema’s level long enough.

  15. Innocent Mawera says:

    Great Comment Isaac!!!

  16. Democracy is well and alive in the Western Cape and that`s why there`s not a murmur from Western Capeners.

    Things are done transparently and accopuntably in the Western Cape and ciizns drive the show.The ANC has been engagng in a catfight with the DA TO TRY TO REDUCE IT TO zero status as it did with National party by appointing its most critical executive to the Presidency or as envoys abroad but that has not dented the image of the D hence its membership gowth.

    Zille is not a bit spending sleepless nights by these ANC slanderings,shenanigans,antics and gyrations but tackling the job at hand which is to deliver to its onstituency.

  17. Tim, your blind hatred to ANC has made you really ignorant. How can you say that there is democracy in when Helen Zille or The DA(if the were involved ) is undermining the majority and woman in the province. They were speaking about the ANC not respecting the constitution is that respecting our constitution.

  18. the mud slinging that the leader of the DA and the ANCYL has engaged in i think is nothing mothan a fallacy.Zille has worked hard to be where she is i do no think it is by slandering.Zuma is Our Prsident and he deserves the dignity that is due to him.He is not different from Gordon brown or Obama who is revered and i belive who makes mistakes.I respect Zille for picking up her cabinet as she did because it is in line with her strategy to take the town then the province and lastly the country.With the ANc a person has to be vocal to get the nod of the foolish youth who engage in throwing obscenities to their elders ,to be deployed .You do not need expirience ,qualifications or mostly the pasion to serve the people the greatest benchmark of all.We have seen party loyalist catapulted by the support of the President into higher ministirial offices.One is left to wonder if a bussiness man a capitalist for that matter, who had to exploit his fellow country men in order to walk on top of their heads can now serve humbly the public as a civil servant.But this is democracy.

  19. yey!!!u racist little gal (helen zile)go 2 hel o try 2gt a urslf a lyf ,wats up wth u cnt u jst leave us (anc) alone thn mind ur liquidating Disillusioned Association (DA) pary,plz woman stp pretendin as if u gv a damn abt blcks ,we saw ur stupit book u wrote 2 white ppl u said “”"2 ol whites in SA an abroad lts brng bck our land ,lts brng bck thse days of permits n dom passes,brng bck thse days whr ol whites wr respected,our lnd s bein invaded by blcks.lts b 2gthr we managed tht cope thng anc s stl spliting nw s our chance.BEWARE: DO NOT SHOW THIS 2 UR MAIDS n GARDEN BOYS”

    NX!!!! u sick racist little gal u wnt 2 brng SA bck 2 discrimination…….4GT U’L L NEVER EVER GOVERN THS COUNTRY 4gt, KHOHLA, LIBALA!

    ANC WILL RULE UNTIL JESUS COMES BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!……..

  20. I was thinking Zille had shot herself in the political foot. Now I’m thinking it’s both feet. Is it possible to do something like the all-male cabinet thing by accident? I’ve heard the DA response to why, but surely it wouldn’t have been difficult to include women – if only to sidestep this paw-paw storm. Semaj.

  21. @ Sizwe, the point that i am trying to make have got noting to do with race but everything to do with the direction in which our country is moving and also the spirit of the SA constitution in terms of race and gender equality.
    The DA’s choice, no matter how hard it will try to spin, betrays its contempt for racial and gender equity.
    The people of the Western Cape deserve better. The DA’s choice suggest that there are no WOMEN and blacks of substance in their own (DA) ranks, let alone the entire Western Cape. The DA has failed the representivity test AND THAT IS A FACT.
    The DA has rolled back the important gains that were made over the past 15 years in terms of racial and gender equality in SA. South Africa is also a signitory to various international treaties with regard to women and gender empowerment. Hellen’s “all male, all white” cabinet is in contravention with these treaties and the SA constitution.
    This “all male, all white” cabinet of hers have got nothing to do with service delivery, but everyting to do with instilling a culture of white supremacy and the reservation of white privillege. This is a serious attack and insult to all women and non-whites in the Western Cape and need to be rejected and denounced with the necessary contempt it deserves.
    We also understand why whites like GILL, TIM, LABAN feels so at ease with this vomiting-stained, “all male, all white” choice of the madam. What all of them are forgetting, is that 50% of those who voted for the madam comes from coloured, and to a smaller extent, black votes.
    They certainly deserve better.

  22. @nhlaka lu2li – We’re happy to hear your point of view but please refrain from name-calling. Do you really believe that the people of this country will ever elect someone who will bring them back into the days of apartheid and passes? Do you really think that little of the majority of South Africans? As far as Wonkie is concerned the people have spoken – both in the cases for Jacob Zuma and Helen Zille – now let them get on with their jobs how they see best and we as South Africans will judge them both on how they deliver for us as citizens.

    @Mphepo – I agree with you in that I think Zille should have made more of an effort to ensure better representation. However, it is her team and her choice that the people voted for and we do need to respect that. As I said before, if she fails now with what we can only imagine is the best she has, come the next election the people will not support her. Right now, I would rather she chooses a team she’s confident to succeed with than one that may compromise delivery for voters. (Again, I want to emphasize that I believe she’s making a foolish political move and she really should have made an effort to include females in her team if at the very least as Semaj says, to avoid this mess she finds herself in.) I think your accusations about her trying to bring in white supremacy into the country are unfounded – remember, it’s about what they deliver to the voters that matters here, not what colour or gender the decisionmakers are – THAT is democracy.

  23. Humphrey ndindani,You see!I`m just contributing here oin our political platforms but quite regrettably because you post`04 south africans knows nothing about politics

    Let me say that I only discuss our politics with those who first are patriotic.My outlook in olitics is military based and anyone with a cnventional military background will agree with me.If you adopt that approach you would never go around `shouting the kind of blind slogans that these ANC peopl were screaming loud since you would have asked yourself what`s their meaning and if willan ANC governmnt fulfill them.As things stands now its that the people who should be screaming those words are Zimbabweans since they have benefitted directly from th anc soon after the elections by being offered free work-seeking and work permits and you go thepain of seeing your txes being used to grant them these permits.

    You have no idea why I voted for he DA .YOU DON`T ASK ME BUT YOU`RE PATRONISING MEas if you nd Ihave entered into some agreement that we will never vote for this party but for that party!

    My advise to you black people of South Africa its that;forgot about politics and rather concentrate on restoring your distorted,blurred and debased social fibres,morals and family fabric of life.Go back to your environmen and go don your overalls andrebuild your roots-so that when you tell DA voters tht they made a mistake they can take you seriously ince they can see you are productive you developed your lifestyle.

    Under ANC you have eperienced ral apartheid b your own brothers far more worse than we experienced it in the past.An example s the arresting of blacks who walk or stand on the lawns of the civic theatre and centre by Masondo`s notoriou foreign guards.At the Legilatue you are chased away by guard if you hang around there too long and these things didn`t happened before.

    I used to sit anywhere in the cbd`s for as long as i was not disturbing peace or obstructin the way.The ANCis laden with rightwingers ,nazis,liberals and zionists and their task there is to ensure that you get the dirt and whites get decency since they strategise and plan.

  24. Tim, I don`t know where ure anger is comin from. Like your boss Zille you always tackle the man not the ball. If you can reread my comment i have never questioned your vote as i did not know who u voted for until you mentioned it now. before u maybe respond to this comment you must know that “the more you get angry the more order and sense get the nearest door out of you” let me refresh your memory. the issue here is ‘of all the people in the DA there is no othr woman who can follw Zille in thinking?’ if she is number one the next woman is number ten. I hope that is simple enough.

  25. Isaac. I really agree with your opinion and i think it our duty to raise this. this really descourage a person to participate.

  26. Chris Stylianou says:

    Helen and Julius should take a trip to Bosnia, DRC, Chechniya and the Great Lakes district in East Africa.Here they will be able to expirience first hand the results of hate and hate speach and how it insites people to commit the most henious crimes.
    These 2 people are equaly guilty of stupidty and one would have hoped that as the elder of the 2 Hellen would have shown more maturity in her response.

  27. Darwin was just proved to be right-after the Zille vs Malema debate im convinced that man truly comes from the ape.I will refrain from saying which one of the two convinced me-what do you think looking at the two cronies,which one huh??

  28. Ndindani,first of all — my contention its the high level of ignorancy and arrogancy displayed by you where you don`t seem to follow logic in your political language by your lack of understanding of the political ruminations and rigorities.

    Capetown politics differs from the countries politics in the sense that Capetonians wants service for their money and where they truggled to get answers from the public sector due to poor communication then all hell will break loose and the DA will loose out.

    I assume you`re in Joburg and I mean your ANC rued Joburg Municipality is limping saved by National government financially and here you are worried about a municipality that is operating on a shoestring basis due to not getting funds from national government bu doing extremely well in terms of collecting rates and delivering service!

    Zille is not in anyway on par with MALEMA SINCE mALEMA HAS NEVER WALKED THE HARD AND ROCKY ROAD zILLE HAS WALKED AND Zille defends what she started than running under the skirts of some caricatures when summonsed to defend what she said.Zille has cleared the air in the SUNDAYTIMES ABOUT HER CHOICE OF cABINET AND FOR ME THAT CHAPTER IS NOW laid to rest!

    Your own house is in disarray and chaos where you have no social fibres or family fabric of life and here you want to tell others how they should run their hose.

    In Cpetown its not politicias or Councillors running the show but ordinary people who design their own plans and ideas and submit them for approval.ST GEORGES MALL and the Waterfront were th initiatives of ordinary Capetonians not government and that`s what your dreaded ANC STILL NEED TO LEARN how ordinary people govern.

  29. Chris Stylianou

    More than being stupid the fact here is that ZILLE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ACCEPTED the position of Mayor and Premier since she is not good at executive level but behind the scenes…structulising,strategising,planning,mobilising people and resources and infrastructure and implementing decisions.

    However what you must not forget its that the ANC IS THE ONE THAT STARTED THROWING SALVOS AT zille that zuma is her President and that she must call him PRESIDENT!

    Its premature and absurd and obscene for the ANC TO blame ZILLE FOR NEGLECT OF POOR PEOPLE since it was it that prevente her from going into the townships and communicating with poor people where it even attacked her whn she was addressing hem.As I`m writing here I SURE zILLE IS IN THE TOWNSHIPS WITH POOR PEOPLE WHILE THESE AND BOURGEOISE ARE IN MILNERTON ENJOYING CVIARS AND COGNACGS

  30. mPHEPOOO,NOW YOU`RE TALKING NONSENSE!!I`M NOT WHITE I`M BLACK AND HERE IN CAPETOWN WE`RE COLOUR-BLIND!

    WHEN THE DA REMOVED STREET PEOPLE WITH THE NOD OF THE ANC IT TARGETTED WHITE TOO AND NO,IT DID NOT CHASE THEM AWAY OR LCK THEM UP BUT HELPED THEM TO GET HAT THEY WANTED IN LIFE.

    DON`T LUMP BLACK AND COLOURED AND WHITE VOTERS TOGETHER SINCE BLACKS VOTE TO BE UNGOVERNABLE AND FOR RDP HOUSES AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION JOBS WHEREA COLOUREDS VOTE OR THE DEMISE OF GANGS,CRIME AND CREATION OF JOBS AND WHITES VOTE FOR UPGRADING AND DEVELOPMENT OF CBD`s,against lawlessness,loitering and loafering,stability,tranquility,peaceful environment to trade,live,work and entertain!

    Unfortunately the DA not a charity or welfare organisation and so cannt help lazy-bums who wants freebies but will help those who needs help to help themselvs like finding a job to buy yourself a house.

    What take me aback its the fact that you are running away from your environments to Capetown and you enjoy the safe environment created by the DA AND THE VARIOUS ENTERTAINMENT PLACES BUT YOU DON`T SEEM TO BE GETTING ENOUGH BY YOUR CONSTANT WHINGING.

  31. Humphrey ndindani says:

    Tim You are doing very well in making jugdement on other people`s intellectual capacity and level of knowlegde but very poor in making a point about the issue at hand. I asked a question that you must really respond to instead of makin reference to the level of my political knowledge cause as far as I know there is no yardstick for that.

  32. As a Nigerian living in Sa for the past 8 years ,i am just sick and tired of the way you south africans bicker amongst each other.Why can’t you all just get along.I never been to a country with so much hatred in my life .My wife is South african and i have two kids but i am really scared to let my kids grow up in this country.Where is the love?Why do we have to be divided based on race.The country is sick and we need to heal it TOGETHER.Politicaly we are divided,ANC is black,DA is White,ID is Colored,Minority Front is Indian.I mean it is just ridiculous,why cant white people join the ANC in mass?Why cant blacks Join the DA in mass?

    You South Africans are just making fools of yourselves and the whole world is watching this stupid games you are all playing.I personally do not like helen Zille,not because i am black but because the DA has proved to me that they are racist and selfish in Nature.

    Let me elaborate,last year during the Xenophobic attacks which was carried out by my fellow blacks brothers on my countrymen and other foreign african nationals,the DA spokeperson went to parliament and made this statement and i quote : “This people cross our borders and come here to EAT our Food”

    I was very angry when i watched this woman make this comment in parliament.From that very day ,i told myself that i will campaign against the DA.

    To make matters worse Helen Zille blamed Nigerians for the drug problem in Cape Town.She said Nigerians are the ones selling drugs in cape town.This is a big lie.Yes there are Nigerian scum who sell drugs in South Africa but the Nigerians drugs dealers only control about 20% of the Drug market in SA.

    The chinese control over 70% of the drug trade but you dont hear their name being dragged in the mud because china is Southafrica’s biggest investor.In cape town Nigerians control only about 5% of the drug trade,the chinese and SA coloreds from the cape flats control over 92% of the drug trade.Go to cape town and investigate you will find my statements to be true.

    But they always want to label all Nigerains as drug dealers.I think it is a babaric & naive way of thinking.If i introduce myself to a SouthAfrican and i tell that person i am from Nigeria they immediately look at me in a different way,i really dont blame them because the Media has contributed to destroying the image of Nigerian in SA.Tv programmes like 3rd degre,special assignment & carte blanche has painted the Nigerian name in black.

    And many dumb people just swallow and believe everything they hear from this programme.Now let me give you the facts.In Sa there are 150,000 resident Nigerians ,out of this number only about 20,000 of them actually deal in drugs.Over 80,000 Nigerians own businesses like salons,gyms,It companies,fashion houses e.t.c the remaining work odd jobs like security ,farm workers e.t.c

    But you dont see 3rd Degree showing these Nigerians contributing positively to Sa’s economy ,they only show Nigerians criminals because it makes a good story and make the programme ratings sky rocket.What they fail to realise is that this programs make South Africans hate Nigerians ultimately leading to xenophobia.

    Another funny accusation which has been making the rounds is that foreigners brought AIDS to Sa,well sorry to dissppoint you but that is very untrue.AIDS was brought to SA by the American C.I.A and given to the apartheid government to help wipe out the black population so that only the Afrikaneers will remain here.haven’t you asked yourslef ,how come AIDs is very rampant amongst the black populations and not the white? For more information on this issue visit this website http://www.boydgraves.com

    The uniform of the SANDF is being made by a Nigerian owned company based in pretoria.The new metal free petrol which was introduced last year is being supplied to SA by a Nigerian oil company.

    As a Nigerian living in SA i immediately hated the DA and everything the stood for because clearly if they came into power they will chase out all the foreigners and foreign investors from Africa.I run an IT firm in Sandton and i currently employ 12 South Africans(5 whites -2 colored-5 blacks),2 zimbabweans,4 Nigerians in my company.I have created jobs for Sa citizens,i pay my tax and my company contributes positively to the SA economy so when a party like the DA makes those kinds of statement if makes me want to withdraw my investments and move elsewhere.By the way what did she mean by they eat our food,all these foreigners pay for the food they eat,the food is not free.

    I think Helen Zille is a hypocrite and i have lost all the respect i have for her.i always knew she was a dictator,she did not put any woman in her cabinet because only a woman can stand up to her.To further expose how racist she is she did not even elect her second in command Mr Joe Sermane to her cabinet.This is the same man she presented to be an interim president not too long ago when Mr mbeki was removed from office.If Mr Joe Seramane was good enough to be president ,how come he is not good enough to serve in her cabinet?

    She presented MR soremane because he was black and she thought that black people in parliment will elect him as interim president paving a way for her to become a president or deputy president.She is a deceptive leader and should not be taken seriously.

    As much as i dislike the ANC youth league leader malema ,i support the way he dissed zille.Zille should never have made those statements about Zuma at all.It was unpatriotic of her,fine we know Zuma slept with an infected woman but that was ages ago and has no bearing on how he will govern the country.Zille threw a cheap shot which backfired on her and exposed her evil dictator side.

    We dont need people like zille in this country because all they promote is hated and hate speech.Many of you who talk rubbish about each other should try to visit other african countries and see how they live in peace.Visit Nigeria and you will see how people of races live together in peace.Thousands of Southafricans now live in Nigeria working for companies like MTN,standard bank to name a few and they love Nigeria because regardless of the xenophobic attack which happened last year,we Nigerians love southafricans and we consider them our brothers and comrades.We understand that what happened was a mistake and we have forgiven them.

    You should all take a cue from us and stop hurting each other’s feelings.Put your heads together to create solutions that will fix this country.Dont follow zille & malema’s example at all.It will not do SA any good.Unity is better and profitable than division.

    Zuma so far is proving to be a fair leader ,over 80% of the deputy ministers in his cabinet are from the DA.Even though people say Deputy minister are powerless ,i disagree.This deputy ministers will be able to counter check their superiors and ensure that the department runs smoothly and effectively.

    Zille on the other hand has not included any ANC member in her cabinet,No woman in her cabinet and no “Black” person in her cabinet so much for a FAIR leader.After being asked to obey the constitution she blatantly refused,so much for a leader who LISTENS.I say it again based on facts and HELEN ZILLE is JOKE.
    May GOD blas South AFrica. Peace ftom your Nigerian brother.

  33. Jamesblack,its just that this government has confused facts but the reality of the matter its that foreigners are not supposed to come here to complain about us but to assist us to reconcile and heal,bolster ou economy,skill and human infrastructure and resource development.

    I disagree with you that Zille is a racist just becuse she demanded that we must be protected against Nigerians crimes and that there are honest and innocent Nigerians in South Africa.

    South Africa has lost the world`s vote of confidence due to the fact tht Nigerians come here to acquire SOUTH aFRICN CITIZENSHIP AND GO COMMIT THEIR CRIMES ABROAD. nigerians crimes are not only about drugs but relieving women of their assets and valuables and then killing or sending them off to redlight district after addicting them,prostituting,smuggling and violent 419 scams like this one;

    Dear friend,

    I guess this letter may come to you as a surprise since i had no previous correspondence with you. i am professor Maurice m. Iwu, the chairman tender board of directors independent national electoral commission Nigeria(inec).

    i got your contact in the course of my search for a reliable person with who to handle a very confidential transaction involving the transfer of fund valued seventeen million two hundred thousand united states dollars (us$17.2m) to a safe foreign account.

    the above fund in question is not connected with arms or drugs. it is the product of over invoice on contract awarded in 2006 by inec, to foreign companies for the supply of electoral materials that was used for 2007 elections in Nigeria.

    the contract has long been executed and payment of the actual contract amount made to the foreign contractors leaving the balance of 17.2m US dollars (seventeen million two hundred thousand united states dollars) in a dormant account which my colleagues and i now want to transfer out of Nigeria into a reliable foreign account for our personal use.

    as civil servants, we do not have the necessary foreign account machinery to successfully handle this transaction. Therefore it becomes necessary to source for a foreign company/individual with the capability to act as the original beneficiary of the contract and the said contract sum valued us$17.2 million.

    my dear, it is a good thing that the president Umaru Musa Yar’Adua has endorsed the bill passed by the senate and national assembly that all foreign contractors owed by the federal government of Nigeria should be paid, we will seize this good opportunity to purport you as one of the contractors to be paid.

    if you are interested in this proposal kindly call me on my direct telephone number +234 7029880578 or mail me your letter of acceptance to my direct email address mail_maurice@yahoo.fr along with your direct telephone and fax numbers for our easy communication, but if you cannot for any reason handle this transaction, I will be grateful if you can link me to a reliable and trustworthy person in which case your interest will be properly protected.

    i and my colleagues have agreed to share the fund with you in the following ratio, 40% to you the account owner, and 60% to us. This transaction is 100% risk free.

    Note also that the particular nature of your business does not matter to this transaction and this transaction is expected to be concluded within 7 working days since all local contacts and arrangements have been properly perfected for a smooth and successful conclusion of this transaction.

    I am anticipating your urgent reply.

    Best regards
    Professor Maurice M. Iwu.

    You know French fluently and not a ord of Zulu but you claim to be black.In the mid`90s when we were fighting drug dealers in Hillbrow we were approached by Nigerians like yourself and we urged them to join us in fighting the crimes of their brothers and they did so bu before I knew it they wre drawn ino the underworld and tody they are probably those nigerians you claim are running their own businesses but fail to reveal that they are doing so with cold money.

    It doesn`t matter how many NIGERIANS ARE INTO DRUG TRADE WHAT MATTWRS ITS THE FACT THAT THEIR DRUG ACTIVITIES RE MENACING US AND IN FACT VARIOUS COUNTRIES LIKE TRIPOLI HAVE BANNED NIGERIANS FOR THEIR CRIMES THAT`S WHY THEYCOME HERE TO ACQUIRE OUR CITIZENSHIP IN ORDER TO ENTER THOSE COUNTRIES AS DIFFERENT NATIONALITIES.

    ITS NEWS TO ME TO HEAR A NIGERIAN COMMITTING HIMSELF TO US SINCE ALL NIGERIANS I COME ACROSS ARE CRUSADING AGAINST BLCK SOUTH AFRICANS EVEN STARTING PRIVATE ARMIES {BOGUS SECURITY GUARD COMPANIES}TO KILL,BRUTALISE AND ARREST US AS SOME MESSAGES AT SOME PLACES INDICATES{CRIMINALS WILL BE SHOT AND IF THEY SURVIVE WILL BE SHOT AGAIN TWICE…

    IF YOU WOULD HAVE COME HEREDURING THE PRE-`94 ERA AND CRITICISE YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN DEPORTED INSTNTLY SINCE ON ENTERING THE OUNTRY YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUIRED TO BE PATRIOTIC AND FOR OUR COURSE AND MISSION.

    hOW DID YOU BECOME A CITIZEN?THROUGH OUR WOMEN…AND THEN YOU DISCAREDE THEM AND BROUGHT OUR AMILY AND SHE`S NOW PROBABLY YOUR SLAVE!!!

    yEE NDANDINI,GO AND GO ASK MOMMY O BUY YOU PLENTY OF TOYS AND PLAY YOURSELF TO EXHAUSTION AND LEAVE ME ALONE TO FINISH MY PROGRAMS.I AM NOT A TROLL BUT HARD AT WORK TO OVERCOME SUBJUGATORS AND USURPERS.

  34. Humphrey ndindani says:

    There is no Nigerian crime. Crime is crime no matter who does it where you are when you do it. You have the right and the duty to act agaist criminals but do not generalise.

  35. JamesBlack says:

    Tim ,this is still generalisation you are making regarding Nigerians.By saying that Nigerians obtain SA citizenship and go abroad to obtain women’s assets and getting involved in 419 is just generalisation.

    Every country has criminal elements,i cannot generalise and say all black south africans are rapist and all white south africans are racist,that will be unfair and extremely naive of me.I cannot hate south africans because of the xenophobic attacks because i know that not all south africans are xenophobic.We live on planet earth as human beings and we as humans being are a problem to ourselves.

    There is no country on this planet who does not have it’s share of problems or bad citizens.Many SA citizens have beeing involved in fraudulents schemes ,embezlement of funds ,muti murders and other violent crime but that does not mean i should generalize and label SA citizens as evil.I know that in SA we have a few people who are bad and we have a lot who are good.

    I have been in this country for 8 years and i can tell you one thing easily,Sa is a difficult place to live in.About 3 years ago an Afrikanneer woman was exposed by special assignment who was running a housing scheme,she took money from unsuspecting black people and promised to provide them affordable housing but it was all a scam.She made ove4 million with this scheme and she has never been brought to book.

    Carte blanche recently exposed the tow truck industry and their mafia style of ripping people off and threatening to harm them if they dont pay for their cars.

    In SA the corporate companies commit more fraud than anybody in this country.Not too long ago Tiger brands was fined for fixing the price of bread.

    Sasol was recently fined 250 million for fraudulent activities,eskom has also being involved in fraudlent activities.

    White SA businessmen are regarded wordlwide as conmen,whenever i deal with my international clients they are always reluctant to deal with me if my business partner is a south african white.I watch the SAPS programme on sabc regularly and white SA citizens are always involved in fraudlent schemes.They was a white guy who recently used another person’s ID to withraw money from FNB & Standard bank ,he took over 180,000 from that person’s account.

    Even SA banks are crooks ,they steals from their clients with their exhorbitant banks charges.About 14 years ago ABSA in connections with white SA sugercane farmers and lawyers stole over R600 million rands from a swaziland sugercane tycoon & hotelier Dumisani Dlamini,up till date the money was never returned.

    So you see nobody is sqeaky clean,every country has its fraudsters and drug dealers.I in particular have had the displeasure of doing business many White SA businessmen and i can tell you that they are always crooks looking for ways to get the better of you.

    In cape town the coloreds control the drug trade and they kill each over it.Not too long ago a TV actor and his friend were murdered by colored teenagers who being initiated into their GANG by killing those to white males.

    To build a stong future we need to work together and join hands to defeat crime.I completely disagree with you that Nigerians who joined you in hillbrow started their businesses with cold money.

    To fight drug lords is not an easy task.There is an underground Nigerian organisation which is currently fighting Nigerian druglords but many Nigerians have been killed in this covert war.The SAPS in hillbrow has been working this NIgerian Scumbags and giving them information on who the informants are ,once the informants are discovered the Druglords order a hit on them .This is the reason why many honest Nigerians dont speak out anymore.The SAPS are not clean and no one wants to die for a lost cause.

    I came to this country with the money i inherited from my father when he passed away and i invested it here because i love this country.In my heart i feel like i am half south african ,half nigerian.I have a permanent residence permit ,i dont want to be SA citizen so i dont have an ID.I dont see the need for me to have an ID.I got got my permits in a legit,i nver used my wife to get a permite because i actualy applied for a business permit and got my PR from there.

    As regards to Nigerians stealing your ID and using it for their own gains,well i will tell you those group of Nigarians are just plain stupid because i really dont see what an SA ID will do for me.Dont forget to blame your Home Affairs because without the help of Sa citizens working in Home affairs m,these group of Nigerians cannot obtain this documents.

    lastly ,i want you understand the different type of Nigerians living in SA.Just like in SA ,we have different tribes in Nigeria.Majority of the nigerians who are involved in illegal activites are uneducated Nigerians who come from the eastern tribe namely IGBO tribe of Nigeria.There are however Nigerian lecturers ,doctors,high school teachers,models,journalist,property moguls,mining tycoons,IT specialist,Tv actor,Tv producers,petroleum specialists,scientists,researchers,writers living and working in SA.

    Go to Joburg general hospitals,30% of the doctors there are Nigerians,same with edenvale hospital.University of johannesburg has several Nigerizn lecturers,same as universitry of KZN ,university of cape town and UNISA.The youngest person to gradute from university of limpopo’s medical department is a nigerian at the age of 18.

    As much as negative things are said about Nigerians worldwide,nobody seems to recognise the good Nigerians that gained world acclaim.let me give you a short list.

    A nigerain invented the fastest computer in the world,his name is professor emeagwali.He was even honored by president bill clinton.Visit is website http://www.emeagwali.com to confirm that.He was also instrumental in the creation of the internet hence his nicknem ” the father of the internet” .

    Here a very short list of notable Nigerians

    Professor Emeagwali -invented the super computer and the internet
    Professor wole soyinka -nobel laureate and writer of many literature books
    Dr chine achebe- nobel laureate and writer of many literature books
    Late Fela Anikulapo kuti -controversial muscian
    Femi Kuti -Internationaly recognised artist(high life music)
    Late Abiola – He funded ANC against apartheid,was killed by the CIA
    Late Awolowo-He provided free aducation for ANC members in exile in Nigeria
    Sade Adu – Nigerian Singer based in london
    Ayo- New rnb artist based in london/USA
    Two face – Popular rnb singer (won two wards at europe mtv awards)
    Seal – Nigerian singer based in london
    Hakeem Olajuwon – retired basketball player for houston rockets
    Seyi Olwobi – technical assistant to bill gates,helped to create windows

    This is are just a few of great Nigerians that have graced this continent.

  36. JamesBlack says:

    Tim i just read your statements to the end and i must say that i am utterly dissappointed.It is this way of thinking that leads to xenophobic violence.I did not critise South Africans,please read my comments carefully and understand it.I did not write my comments in french because and i dont speak a word of french.

    In my comments i merely asked that south africans should stop hating each other based on race.I am very dissappointed that you made the statement regarding my wife and my language.It is a shame that you think like this.

    I can see that in you heart you deeply hate NIgerians otherwise you will not make those statements you made.Let me tell you the true story of life in this country.In regards to Nigerians marrying your women,yes there nigerians who use your women to obtain permits but not all of them are to blame.They did not make the law,the home affairs made that law.We Nigerians dont like that law because as soon as you come into the country you are forced to marry someone you dont love before you can stay in your country legaly.It is also very incovinient for these nigerian who have travelled 10,000km and paid over R5000 for their visa at the SA embassy in Nigeria and R7000 for their plane ticket just to come and look for a better life here to return back home empty handed so they go for the marriage option.

    I see this law as entrapment because most of the time when the Nigerian has made money in SA this same woman he married will file for divorce and take half of his wealth.In some case many SA woman have actually planned with their twonship boyfriends and killed their Nigerian husbands so thay can inherit his money for themselves .Nigerians no longer marry SA women like they used to because of this,they now go for work permits beacuse they are scared of SA women.

    Your home affairs made so many stupid laws which makes life difficult for foreigners.For example you cannot get an investors permit without having a capital of R2million.That is just ridiculous,how many business starters can have R2million.When i came to this country i came with R200,000 and could not get an investor visa so i have to apply for a work visa first to get my cc recognised before actualy getting a business permit.The guys who made the laws at home affairs are the dumbest people on this planet.

    This laws are made by home affairs not Nigerains ,go to home affairs my friends you will find russians marry sa women,indians marrying sa women ,chinese marrying SA women so please dont blame only Nigerians.I dont know why some SA black are quick to lay blame on thire fellow africans but ignore the westerners?

    In this country there are the Italian mafia ,Russian mafia,Chinese Mafia ,Jewish syndicate(ilegal diamond traders),Colored drug dealers(cape town) ,Indian drug dealers(durban) ,White drug dealers(joburg,freestate)Farmers syndicate,Boer terrorist network(apartheid must rise again) and Scumbag Nigerian drug dealers but all SA problems is blamed on Nigerians?

    This is what i have been saying ,many black SA poeple are quick to blame thier fellow africans but they ignore the western criminals in the country.The biggest drug boss and mafia boss in this country is Mr aglioti a.k.a THE LANDLORD.He was implicated in the brett keble’s death.I dont see you talking about those people.These are the big boss who control the small fish (nigerian scumbag drug dealers) .Without them the nigerians can’t sell drugs.The nigerians work for this man.Many evidence has be given to the SAPS but they keep quiet because he is italian south africa and they crucify the small fish instead.

    I dont like the way you think TIM,i think you think in a dangerous way.You sound like someone who hates foreigners and NIGERIANS in particular and it is a shame.For your information ,my wife is half swazi ,half south african and she holds a swazi passport.I have never married any Sa woman legaly.I only have one permit in my passport ,business permit.

    So please dont assume that you know everything and everyone and how dare you say ,i speak french and not a word of ZULU.That is just a stupid thing to say.Firstly i dont speak french,i only speak english and yoruba my native language.

    Tell me why should i speak ZULU? because i am black,i mean for someone who seems to be intelligent that was a very dumb and xenophobic statement you made.Are you saying i dont deserve to live SA because i dont speak ZULU? The afrikaneers have lived in SA for 350years but they dont speak ZULU ,i dont see you asking them to speak ZULU.Helen Zille who you are defending so much does not speak ZULU,XHOSA,SUTHU,VENDA,PEDI or TWANA.I dont see you asking or forcing her to speak ZULU?

    It is South African blacks like yourself who are a shame to the black race because you hate blacks who cant speak you native language.So are you going to stop the black African tourists who are coming to watch the worldcup because they cant speak ZULU? How come you dont ask the british ,americans ,russian,chinese,and other white foreigners living in SA to speak ZULU?You singled out Nigerians because of their skin color.That is just plain racist and xenophobic and you are a disgrace to AFRICA.

    Let me tell you something TIM,there is nothing extraordinary about SA.I have been to 11 countries outside africa(America,Canada,Mexico,France,Jamica,Brazil,germany,denmark,switzerland,thailand,singapore,japan and china and it is only in SA where people want to force you to speak their langauge.In these foreign countreis i am treated well and shown respect.

    I mean when i go to Mc donalds to buy a burger and i pull up to the window ,the attendant starts speaking ZULU and i get pissed because it just plain stupid.Office language is English not ZULU,and i usualy tell the attendants off.I asked them if i was white will you speak ZULU to me ,dont just assume because i am black that i speak or undertsand ZULU beside this is Mcdonald not Mc ZULU so speak english dammit.The same thing happens to me when i go toshopping malls and other public places and you know it is just plain stupid and i consider this group of south africa to be very very dumb.

    I mean some of you SA blacks are just plain stupid when you say that,we dont force south africans living in Nigeria to speak our language,no matter where you go in Nigeria ,the general language is English.Nigeria has 3 major tribes and 225 smaller tribes with 225 different languages,so it will be dumb of us to speak our native langage.We are proud of our language but the general business language is english.

    Please dont make dumb comments like that anymore,will you like it if you visit my country and everybody is speaking their local language and no one wants to speak english to you.Tell me how will you get a taxi to your hotel when you cant communicate with the people because they dont speak english.TIM think before you talk.If you hate Nigerians tough luck for you but please stop that “you dont speak ZULU” Crap.That is just nonsense.

    How are you guys going to communicate with the tourists who will be visiting for the worldcup.80% of the SA blacks i see on a daily bases cannot speak a word of English because they did not go to school and they will say things like ” Why should i speak English when it is not my mother tongue”well you are depriving yourself of the good things of life because if you cant speak a word English you can go up in life.You might as well be a zombie ,Take it or leave ,it is the bitter truth.

    Black South Africans should start encouraging their kids to go to school and speak proper english.They should stop this IKASI mentality.

    It is this IKASI mentality that has given birth to the like of Juilus Malema and they thugs in the ANCYL not to mention the xenophobic attacks.Tell me the truth TIM ,who will you prefer to represent SA internationaly :Thabo Mbeki or Julis Malema .Education plays a vital role in the way you think so dont tell me to speak ZULU.Your language has no benefit for me ,i am just passing through,when the time comes i will go back home so dont force me to speak your langauge.

    Visit this website to see what your fellow white southafricans think of blacks : http://www.zasucks.com

  37. JamesBlack i have no idea why did you bring up this subject in the first place was it because of your guilt ridden fears because of the ravages yo nigerians have caused to our community,their social fibres and family fabric of life or the economic saboteuring crimes of yours where you enjoy a tax-free life in south africa?

    here we are talkin about issue that afflicts us as south africans and if we want to tal foreigner we will talk about people who come here to ask us what cn they do for us not the other way around.

    despite all that we were told about foreigners bing this or that thir presency in this country has not beneffitted us in anyway since our hiv,economy,jobs,infrastructure etc remains unchnged or worse.

  38. Humphrey ndindani says:

    Tim, if you are person with compassion you will talk about issues that affects people not south africans only, becuase south africa survives becuase there are ohter countries. You also live becuase there are other people. I am a south African and you are not representing me becuase I do see a brother to a nigerian and I judge people on the basis of how they behave torwards me not on their Nationality(IF I had to choose who i want as a south African between you and James , I will choose james). James has the right to remind you not label the whole Nigerian nationals becuase of some few wrong elements. there are a lot of progressive individuals (even more progressive than you(Tim)). In every society there are different categories of individuals. look at you family and tell me if you behave the same way (of course if you are a normal family)

    Lastly Tim, you need help becuase your negative attitude torward issues in SA might give a heart attach.

    James, Mind your langauge in your first comment becuase we might not notice the difference between you and the South African(especially the kind like Tim) you are talking about.

  39. JamesBlack says:

    Humphrey ndindani ,thank you for sticking up for me you make me proud to be an african.I apologise if any of my comments has offended you in any way ,that was not my intention.

    You are the kind of SouthAfrican that i will like to associate with because we can both share ideas which will move this country forward.I may not be a SouthAfrican but i am african and it is my responsibility to ensure the collective growth of this continent.

    My two sons are SA citizens so i have to contribute positively to this country to ensure the bright future of my sons and other SA children.I wish we could form a brand new general movement that will unite all races of this country.

    I have noticed that there is no social clubs or movement that actually unites whites and blacks.Barack obama was able to win this election because the youths of America came together regardless of their racial and religious differences to vote for him.

    I apologise once again if any of my comments were out of line,i was drawn in to the heat of the moment by TIM,i will not let that happen again.The whole of Africa supports SA. Viva SOUTH AFRICA.

  40. Sizwe,where we talking Nigerians here or what?

    While Mrs Zille’s latest firestarter comment is not dishonest – viz. that Mr Zuma put his wives at risk of contracting HIV because he had sex with a known HIV-positive young lady without a condom – the question is what value does it bring to herself politically and for South Africans in general to raise this point in this way now?

    Sizwe!To me it means another vote for Zille because what the message conveyed its that politicins must be free of any taints otherwise if tainted they must not be in public office.

    you remember how revelations about issues that obama was alleged to have done years back almost forced him to resign !and those revelations were petty but they meant so much that it was felt he was not going to be fit to hold a public office if he could have been implicated.

    this notion of “not guilty until proven so”has no room in politics but once you are tainted you must step down or be fired or suspended and the da operate under such a policy!

  41. we were commemorating Brenda fassie over the weekend and it was tears all day long coupled with feelings of revenge.

    she was just a tip of the iceberg to the hordes of ou women who have been murdered by nigerians after they used themn to make their million.things are quieten up now but in the mid 90`s we used to pick-up a local woman everyday on the pavements from being thrown from balconies or their families finding thm at mortuaries.hordes have been smuggled to nigeria to be used in these dubious videos they are smuggling in this country and some are languishing in notorious jails around the world and my heart is with these poor souls who were taken advantage of due to their naivette,gullibility and vulnerability and there`s doesn`t seem to b any inklination by government to protect us.

    government should have asked the secret service to investigate these people from their countries if they were not going to be a threat to this country and then legislate accordingly but we see a government that it is virtually sweeping our original migration laws under the tble and encouraging the proliferation.

  42. JamesBlack says:

    TIM,please let us know when you have something sensible to say.Your comments are making us sleepy here,yawn………………..

  43. @Tim, firstly I have to agree with Humphrey Ndindani – you should not make generalisations about any group – whether they are Nigerian, Muslims, ANC supporters or Mormons. That’s the kind of mentality that lead to apartheid in the first place. Yes there are Nigerians in South Africa that are involved in criminal activities but that is certainly not cause to say all Nigerians are bad – or even that all Nigerian in South Africa are bad people. As James Black rightly says, there are many Nigerians working legally in South Africa that contribute positively to the economy – without such entrepreneurs South Africans would indeed be worse off. Tim I do agree 100% with you however that the government should be taking a more active role in investigating and taking care of criminal elements – regardless of their origin.

    Secondly Wonkie’s point about Helen Zille is not her objections – it’s her political ineptitude to choose which battles she can win. She garners no favour or benefit to the South African public by knocking her head against a brick wall on issues she knows she will be able to do nothing about. This is a time for her to be politically shrewd and show she can deliver better than the ANC and she is squandering the opportunity by distracting herself on the politically irrelevant.

    Do you honestly feel there is a strong possibility that Mr Zuma will now in good conscience step down from his current position to clear his name? If he became president with all the baggage he had, what chance has Mrs Zille got now to drag up the past, with exactly the same information as before, to try to displace Mr Zuma from his current role? Sure, if he does something new now that is questionable she would be quite right to raise an objection – again, provided it is a battle she has enough ammunition to win.

    @James Black, Humphrey Ndindani – special thanks for the detailed comments – Humphrey particularly for your balanced view. JamesBlack – you’re not the first non-South African origin person living in SA that I’ve heard make that comment and I do agree with you on many points – South Africans tend to harbour much bitterness and we do really need to get over it to move forward.

  44. JamesBlack says:

    Thank you sizwe,really appreciate it.

    Back when the Democratic Alliance actually resembled a political party, you may recall, when they had a full time leader, who wasn’t also the mayor of a city, part time troublemaker, and vigilante impersonator, it had a significant support base as well as a vital role to play in our fledgeling democracy.

    Whatever your politics, and whatever you may or may not have thought of Mr Tony Leon, you had to admit, his was a serious ticket. That he was an astute politician is ably demonstrated by the very smart positioning of the official opposition in the last few years, before it was hijacked by the lunatic fringe .

    Faced with the reality of the end of the white vote as a vote for power, Mr Leon crafted a place for white middle voters of liberal persuasions. He sold them the idea that while they could never have power, they could make a meaningful vote to check power. Smart, eloquent, defiant and dressed for Corporate success, Mr Leon managed to convince people who even had ANC sympathy to vote DA, at a time when to all intents and purposes, their vote had lost more value than a 2008 Hedge Fund.

    It was simple, it was smart, and it sounded like this :

    “ The ANC will win, it will always win, the D A has no aspirations of power, we wish to be the official opposition. Even if you might vote ANC, your middle class vote (black or white) for us, the thinking man’s party is a vote for DEMOCRACY, because that’s what this great country needs, a strong opposition, and best of all it’s within our reach, now your vote can have not just value, but the greater value of being a vote for the values of democracy. And its your responsibility as an educated, middle class, liberal to do so. We can be the official opposition. ”

    And he delivered it in spades.

    Now the tide has turned.

    Gone is the considered opinion of Mr Leon and his ilk, no more carefully worded speeches, or well crafted responses, this is now the age of Zille, whose gift to liberal politics in South Africa is power hungry madness , complete with Maggeret Thatcher hair do, iron lady rhetoric, and moment after moment of carefully choreographed pictures with her swamped by so called black supporters, always in the centre, always smiling, always dressed like she was just on her way to lunch at the Saxon, when she happened to stop at a taxi rank for a chat.

    The new image of township travelling Zille, dancing and laughing with the very people she strives to keep off the Victoria and Alfred Waterfront is astonishing PR, but what makes it amusing, is that she expects us to believe it. What, however makes it hilarious, is that it she believes it herself.

    Yes, let me say it, Mrs Zille thinks the DA is going to run South Africa. Seriously. And without a coup.Wait, it doesn’t end there, she thinks the DA is a representative party, perhaps her glasses need an upgrade, surely she can see who’s sitting in at her rallies and in her cabinet. Then again, who can say what insanity goes on behind the closed doors of the DA.

    It’s a new age ladies and gentleman, and for the DA, white is the new black.

    When Mrs Zille isn’t relocating street children in that last refuge of white surburb she calls home or throwing mud at any one who fails agree with her grandiose vision of the new New South Africa with Mary Poppins on crack at the helm, or making obligatory cameos at taxi ranks and shebeens, you will find her pontificating about the new president of South Africa being a criminal. (Personally I suspect she may also be designing her new Imperial Palace from which she will run both South Africa and Cape Town.)

    Reading the Tin Lady’s various contributions and constant diatribes against the man she loves to hate, you may be forgiven for wondering what happened to liberal party values, and cornerstone principles like the right to be innocent until proven guilty had been forgotten by the new DA, but you’d be wrong, they haven’t been forgotten, just cast aside along with common sense and everything else the DA once stood for.

    I note with interest the very upset tone from her now with regard to the return of Mrs Mandela, and it seems obvious why, you see, Winnie has the support of black women in this country, and there are more of those than any other voting group.

    Curiously enough it appears from her recent column in Citizen, frothing and spitting and yelling criminal at the ruling party, that the only thing she is worse at than politics, is writing.

    Singlehandedly Mrs Zille has turned the opposition vote into a joke, no doubt the ANC is rubbing its hands with glee at the prospects.Senior members of her party are now terrified of her because she has become a dictator just like Idi amin.Her moto in my opinion is ” Join Me or Get Lost”

    I rather have Jacob Zuma who listens to the people as the President of South Africa rather than have Helen Zille who will bully her ministers and the people of this great nation – South Africa into a dictatorship rule.

  45. a wise man sits,watches and anallyzes a situation before her voices what he sees as the best way out of a situation,based on the debate between james and tim i cant define who,s smart and who is not.tim is a racists just like zille,he seems to forget that most black south africans where once exiles in other african countries and its insanity for a south african to call other africans as criminals while whites and indians regard all blacks as criminals in our own country,why does he not pick on them and leave our fellow brothas alone.
    as for james i have no grudge or hard feelings towards any african brother so long as he is decent and does not do injustice to our society,but you said some thing about being approached by shop assistants in isizulu,please dont get cross but bear in mind that we value our mother toungue and you being black the first thing we would say to you will be in our native language no matter where you are be kind and explain that you dont understand then you will be given due respect and dont be naive towards south africans that is what causes this misunderstanding amongst blacks,
    as for the malema and zille issue this is just a reflection of our failings as humans and all the more reasons why in the case of zille women are not yet fit to hold national positions due to their emotinal nature and in malema’s case why we should think before we talk and also do some serious learning before we a choosen or elected to be in leadership positions.

    all in all this is a fools circus and no one is wise enough to show the right road to the other and its a pity that this is how our continent remains the most chaotic and mismanaged place in the world we have malemas and zilles and untrained powerhungry leaders all around us.

  46. sIZWE YOU HAVEN`T BEEN FOLLOWING MY COMMENTS WHERE I SAID WE WERE FIGHTING DRUG DEALERS IN HILLBROW IN THE MID`90`S AND NIGERIANS JOINED US AGAINST THEIR FELLOW COUNTRY MEN BY MARCHING TO THEIR JOINTS BUT THEY ENDED-UP BEING SWALLOWED BY THE UNDERWORLD AND I STAND BY MY ASSERTIONS THAT ALL NIGERIANS INCLUDING THIS ONE ARE THE UNDERWORLD.HE IS LIVING-OFF THIS POOR WOMAN WHOM HE IMPREGNATED SO AS TO CONVINCE HOME AFFAIRS TO NATURALISE HIMSELF AND BEFORE YOU KNOW IT HE`LL BE GONE AND THAT POOR WOMAN LEFT IN THE LURCH!

    I WAS TRYING TO CONTACT MY CONTACT AT “CRIME INTELLIGENCE”WHO COULD HAVE CONFIRMED THIS ASSERTION BUT HE`S ON LEAF.NIGERIANS LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY TELLING THEIR FRIENDS THEY ARE COMING TO SOUTH AFRICA TO MAKE A MILLION AND NOTHING ELSE.

    WHERE I EXPECT THIS ONE TO TELL US THAT HE IS A PROFESSIONAL OR EXPERT AS THEY PREACH HE`S TELLING US OF BEING A SECURITY GUARD AND MARRIED TO A SOUTH AFRICAN WOMAN AND THE QUESTIONB ISLWHAT HAPPENED TO HIS WOMAN BACK HOME!

    THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE WHO ALSO CALLED AKI`S SHOW TO PROVE ME WRONG SAYING HE WAS A SERVICE STATION FRANCHISE HOLDER AND I ASK AKI TO ASK HIM TO BRING PROOF OF INCOME,PROOF OF FRANCHISE PURCHASE AND THE LOCAL WOMAN HE CLAIMED TO BE MARRIED TO AND FIVE YEARS DOWN THE LINE AKI ANASTACIOU IS STILL WAITING FOR HIS ARRIVAL AT THE STUDIOS WITH THE PROMISED EVIDENCE.

    THEY RAISED THEIR MONEY BY REFERRING LOCAL GIRLS TO TRAFFIKERS FOR A THOUSAND RAND EACH WOMAN THEY REFER THAT`S WHY THEY PREE SO MUCJ ON OUR WOMEN AND PROSTITUTION AND ADDICTION.

    THESE CHURCHES OF THEM ARE ORGANISED CRIME HEAD QUARTERS WHERE WO0MEN ARE INVITED THEN FORCED TO ADOPT A NIGERIAN THEN THAT NIGERIAN CLEAN THEM OUT AND DISPOSE OF THEM AND KEEP ALL THAT SHE OWNED.

    IN BRAAMFONTEIN A MORTUARY OWNED BY NIGERIANS WAS CLOSED BY THE COUNCIL AFTER WE COMPLAINED WITH NO TIME FOR THEM TO REMOVE CORPSES AND FRIDGES WERE PACKED WITH LOCAL WOMEN CORPSES.

    ITS GENERALISATINS TO ASSERT THAT NOT ALL NIGERIANS ARE SYNDICATES SINCE YOU HAVE DONE NO RESEARCH ON THEM NSPOKEN TO POLICE WHO FROM THE ORGANISE CRIME UNIT.

  47. JamesBlack says:

    @yabotho -Bro ,i am sorry if my comments were out of line regarding being spoken to by shop assistants in IZizulu.I will try to be more accommodating in future.Tim got under my skin and i replied harshly to shut him up.

    @Tim – I seriously doubt that you are a South African Black.As much as i dont want to go into a heated pointless agrument with you because your level of reasoning is absurd and far far below my intellectualy capacity.Still you wont let the matter rest.

    However ,i will like to issue a friendly warning to you TIM,please leave my wife out of your comments.I have not insulted you or any your family members.If your parents did not teach you not degrade other people wives,i will teach you.

    First and foremost ,i own and run my own IT company (Tim i know you dont know what that means so let me define it for you-Information Technology).Your can call me anything you want,it is a free country we will live in.

    By threatening me with “your contact at the crime intelligence” You have just convinced me that your IQ is lower than Julius Malema’s.

    Furthermore if you keep spreading hate propaganda against foreigners and Nigerians ,you will see how GOD will reward you in life.You are definately not a christian and you don’t love your own kind.

    It is shame that you live with so much hatred in you heart.How sad you must be………………………..need i say more?

  48. JamesBlack says:

    P.S @TIM – For someone who hates Nigerians so much,you seem to hang around them a lot because how did you come up with these stories in your comment ? Please go and do something constructive with your life and stop hating on people,it wont get you anywhere.

    The other people on this forum are making comments which will move South Africa forward but you are making comments that will move South Africa backwards.

    Even Julius Malema makes more intelligent comments than you.Your own countrymen have disowned you on this forum but still you keep beating a dead horse.

    Grow up TIM and show some real ubuntu spirit that real South Africans are known for.

  49. JamesBlack says:

    @ Tim – Please stick to the topic and leave foreigners alone……………………………..

  50. Tim you are Gigabytes

  51. Yes!!!I`m among aliens and that`s why I know everything about hem .nigerians are destroying us by exhorting local gangs to ecruit our sons at schools then these mst lure their female schoolmates to them and that`s how the ropoutsccur.its not our children who dopout voluntaril they are force out to come and be nigerians henhmen nd ootsldiers n steal cellphnes for thm hence all these local ouths oundoutside nigerians joints.As this nincompoop is threatening me here he means sendin these youths to deal with me violently or lethally but I`m prepared o ny eventuality.

    Since it has becomme obvious that this nincompoo is hallucinatng and suffein withdrawal symptoms from his cocaine binges i`m not going to tussle with him again because hav fund him out tha he`s not in control o hsutterances where today he alls himself south african,tommorrow call himself nigerin.

    White foreigner idn`t become a nuisance in ths countr but came to assist us to end our raial hostilities,develop,economise and take this coutr forward.I`M SORROUNDD B BEAUTIL BUILDINS AN STATUES AND LANDSCAP INVENTED AND ESIGNEDB HITE FOREIGNERS.TODAY I`M A MOTION PCTURE MAN DUE TO WHITE IMMIGRANTSCONTRIBUTION WHERE THE ENSURE THAT BLACKS OBTAIN INORMAL TINING WHICH WAS DENIED TO THM BY THAT GUTTE EDUCTIONAL SYSTEM.THEY CAME HERE TO ASK;HAT CN WE O OR YOU NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    RIGHT,NOW I`M OFF T BADGER THEPRSIENT TO PROTEC US OM FOREIGN HREATS B ASSIGNING THSECRET SERVICE O INVESTIGATE ALL THREATS POSED BY FOREIGNERS O THIS COUNTRY,ECONOMY,NATIOL SECURITY AN OU HEALTH AN SUBMIT RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT.WE ALLOWED FOREIGNERS TO COM HRE AND IFCT US WITH ALL KINDS OF DISEASES AND CHOLERA HASALREADY TAKEN A FEW OF OUR PEOPLE`S LIVES AND IT CANNOT BE LEFT T HA.

    THEY MST TAKECOGNISANCE OF TH UFFERING OU PEOPLE ENDURED IN H HANDS OF FOREIGNERS AND MUST AT NOW T PROTECT US AS THE CONSTITUTION DICTATES.IF WE AR TO ATTACK ANYONE IT WILL BE A DEADLY ATTACK SIMILAR TO THE ONE ALLEGEDLY CARRIED OU BY PAGAD AGAINST DRUG DEALERS NOT HAT SHEBBEEN ONE B LOCAL GANGS WHO ARE FIGHTING WITH FOREIGNERS OVER TURS AND WOMEN AND DRUG TRADE

  52. HEY-NDANDINI!YOUR CHEUE IS IN THE POST MATE FOR GETTING IT SPO-ON!i DO METAPHYSICAL ,INTELLIGENCE{MILITARY},PSYCHOLOGICAL,EMOTIONAL AND SPIRITUAL RESEARCH,STUDIES,INVESIGATIONS ON PEOPL,NATIONALS OF FOREIGN ORIGIN AND ORMTIONS AND ITS ALL STORED IN MY MEMORY AND THAT`S GIGABYTE TIM!!!!!!!!!1

  53. I am sorry Tim. I wanted to say you are wasting your data units. you have nothing to say. I hope some Nigerian can steal that computer and put it to good use.

  54. Tim give us a chance, maybe some guy can come up with something different and challenging. They are probably not commenting becuase of your illinformed and nonsensical comments. Now I believe the riddle that says “Makwembe ya vupfela lavo kala timbita”. If you are a true South Afrcan as you claim you are you should know what langauge is that or even the meaning of it. that reffers to you.

  55. Guys, I also think the guy(Tim) is on something.

  56. As I have already said that i have nothing to exchange with boring charlatans like yous you must get some toys to play with and not here.

    here Iam tackling problems and bnot it on my laurels…wait until someone say something then debat that then dump it then wait for another topic etc.that`s no my style an fashion.

    what that bloke raise i very serious and damaging and i expected blacks o jump on it and attempt to end it by mobilsing,organing and uniting each other!he say the world is pissedoff with your attitudes and so am that`s why i work alone because i will never abandon the oals of the struggle which was to end my subjugation and usurpn and nigrians are pushing to do exactly that so that they can domineer,control and rule and i won`t allow thm.

    you have long abandoned our sorroundings for theleafy uburbs and you have made english your mother tongue and you say you speak your mother tongue!its not only about speaking your mother tongue but living your traditions by goin to work dressed traditionally like indians and kenyans and congolese and celebrating them regulary.a lost generation come an prittle-prattle to take-out boedo.what role ar you playing where you are to enhance and advance the cuse o the blackmn n soth africa.

    that scumbag is taling rubbish snce here i soth africa nigerians are killing each other almost daily and very ruthlesslly and go dump each oher i these secret mortuaries of them.there`s no where in the world where blacks love each oth.were thse wars on our south,north and east not black0on-black wars?

  57. Poor Tim.It is a shame.

  58. JamesBlack says:

    @Humprey ndindani ,you are very right ,it seems TIM is high on crack supplied by one of his Nigerian Drug Dealer friends in whose midst he lives.I must have hit a nerve because he is just rambling away like a chinese parrot.

    @TIM – Please learn how to spell before you come into a public forum to insult people.And please stop saying you are black we all know you are not blacks,it seems you hate your fellow South Africans.I have never met a SouthAfrican black who hates other SouthAFrican blacks.This is why i dont believe you are black.You think you are white hey,you remind me of micheal jackson.

    You are a big disgrace to your people by saying that whites came to South Africa to contribute to this country.So you are saying APARTHIED contributed positively to this country.Obviously you dont know your history,the infrastructure which was built by the afrikaners was meant for Afrikaners only.They did not build this country for you,they built it for themselves(whites only).Thanks to a great leader like Nelson Mandela and the ANC who sacrificed their lives for freedom of others,we blacks are now able to enjoy these infrastructures and even build more.

    You praise Afrikaners,these are the same people who banished your people to the township and made sure that your people get a pass/visa before they can enter any city in their own country.These people till today still call you the K-word and here you are praising them.You are lost,if you hate your skin so much why dont you bleach it with cosmetic creams.That should give you peace of mind.

    Dont you realise that it is because of Apartheid that you are a semi educated incompetent black who cannot even spell.In case you have forgotten the ANC is the reason you can own a computer or even log on to the internet today.Don’t ever forget what the ANC has done for you ,you ungrateful little rascal.

    I did not threaten you i only told you not to mention my family in your comments.Even a racist like you should know your boundaries in a public chat room.When i said i will teach you,i was merely saying that i will respond to your comments with words that will make you cry when you read them.

    However you have managed to convince all of us that you are not well.You need to see a shrink before you self-destruct.Your mental state is questionable.I can not going to continue to argue with someone who is clinicaly retarted.

    I repeat visit http://www.zasucks.com to see what these afrikaners which you praise so much think about you.

  59. A shame is the one who doesn`t have an identity,direction in life.the one who call himself african but doersn`t hear himself because he speaks from the lips not from the mind .

    These scumbags leave their broken countries behind and scuttle to this country claiming they are coming to help us …why don`t they first help themselves{ like white foreigners did by doing what they claomed yto be coming to do in this country in their countries}

    They call themswelves professors and doctors but it transpired they`re tose things of crime and i`m hounding them out .they put up ads calling themselves prof/dr this or that will abort you r make you rich but they`re thugs who are out to screw our women of their meagre savings and disappear into thin air.

    yee man!i don`t get devastated by assholes like yourself snce i have walked the long and hard road and have negotiated through menacing situations includng threats from your up nortgh brother here and here i`m still.

    right now i must run to go propose tough migration laws so that only contributive aliens can enter my country not just any junk with dry sweat smell that permeate the whole place .wash my friends for women to love you.no woman will love a junk with such powerful smell.there`s plenty of water in south africa and its free,

  60. Dead right,da!these charlatans are just coming here to eat our food and then spew out venom and diatribe against us once they have grown those stinking asses of them an tummies.

    we,your voters mandated you to fight for our freedom,comforts,conveniences,opportunities and benefits and the firing of that nigerian mp women smuggler was just the right step in the first direction.

    now you must get your police to get even with them like the sunnyside and yeoville and hillbrow cops who make them to cry like the women they gangrape and enslave.

    yes,on hearing that they were gonna commemorate their people in alexandra i rushed to capetown to cohort for the commemoratio of their victims and i was heeded were fassie was remembered.i`m not fighting them here but on the ground together with my cops.if you check the streets they are full of mad nigerians due to the beating by my cops.the cops here seyou to the icu,institution or mortuary where you will vomit all that heroin and cocaine.

    yee,women!you and your kids stay away from these scumbags since they won`t look after your child but will screw you and eventually destroy you and smuggle your child,these are bandits and vampires and cannibals hnce this awful uman meat they eat in these restaurant of them

  61. TIM,YOU ARE NOT GETTING UNDER THE SKIN OF EVERY S.AFRICAN THAT HAS A VISION AND PURPOSE IN LIFE WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT IN LIFE AND WE CERTAINLLY DONT NEED IDIOTIC MINDED PPL LIKE YOU TO EXPECT US TO BACK YOU ON YR ATTACKS ON FOLLOW AFRICANS.

    WHAT REALLY IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH NIGERIANS IN PARTICULAR? DID YOU LOSE YR WIFE OR GIRL FRIEND TO A NIGERIAN OR ARE THE GIVING TO A HARD TIME AT WORK.TRUST ME NIGERIANS ARE AMONGST THE MOST INTELLIGENT PEOPLE IN AFRICA MAYBE YR BOSS IS NIGERIAN.WHATEVER THE CASE MAYBE MFETHU DONT FIGHT YR BATTLES LIKE A COWARD,wonder if you can handle a woman,the way i see it you cant you dont seem smart enough and as long as there are more local guys like you AMA NGANGAWANE AZONITHATHELA. ESPECIALLY THE NIGERIANS YOU HATE SO MUCH. WOMEN NEED INTELLIGENT HUSBANDS WHO CAN STAND THEIR GROUND AND NOT MAKE UNDESPLINED COMMENTS LIKE YOU. MAN UYASIHLAZISA EBANTWINI BOKUHAMBA.

    GROW UP MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  62. TIM,YOU ARE NOT GETTING UNDER THE SKIN OF EVERY S.AFRICAN THAT HAS A VISION AND PURPOSE IN LIFE WE KNOW WHAT WE WANT IN LIFE AND WE CERTAINLLY DONT NEED IDIOTIC MINDED PPL LIKE YOU TO EXPECT US TO BACK YOU ON YR ATTACKS ON FOLLOW AFRICANS

    you do!!!nope!!!not mamparas who vote on empt slogans likelmy vision,my future an soon after that they embark on marches .not a subjugated and usurped bunch that have just been told by a dumbass that the world is revulsed by them and not mamparas who ar asdowntrodden as they were three hundred years ago can talk about a visio and future because you have none!

    you have just been told by markinor that in 2020 aliens will be th omneering nation in this country and that means diseases would have wiped you off the face of this world!

    The whole continent found countries that whites brightened up and they trash them and now they come here they say we are coming to help but its the bee blokes who ignite the nigerian economy and the westerners.SHOW ME THE VISION AND FUTURE YOU ARE TLKIN ABOUT BEFORE YOPUR AN COPS SHOOTS YO LKE A BASTARD.YOUR OWN CALLS YOU BASTARD AND YOU PARADE YOURSELF S A SPECIAL SOMEBODY!I HAV DICKSHIT FUCKALL TO DO WITH YOU EXCEPT THAT I MENTIO BLACKS O CLARIFY MY TATEMNTS .

    WHAT GOAM RIGHT DO YOU HAVE TO DICTATE TO ME WHOM I SHOULD CRITICIZE OR NOT ?WAS THERE ANY PACT BETWEEN YO AND ME THAT WE WILL PRECH THE SAME GOSPEL FOR LIF?

    WAKE UP AND SM,ELL THE ROSES ND STOP DROPPING WORDS FROM YOUR LIPS BUT BRAINS!

    • Ok, come on guys please – heated debate is fine but this is getting out of hand. Enough with the name-calling and bad language.

      @Tim – I think you’ve made your point and you are entitled to your view. However, given some of your previous insightful comments on other posts I have to say I’m a little disappointed that you’re making sweeping statements about an entire nation. We are all individuals and perhaps you have had some bad experiences with a particular group but that does not mean you can say they are all like that. That’s as lousy as people saying things like ‘all blacks are stupid’ or all whites are racist – it’s just not correct.

      @JamesBlack – thanks for your contribution and i do hope you will continue to provide your views. Reading different perspectives is interesting and one of the reasons we started this blog.

  63. JamesBlack says:

    Gentlemen,please let us just ignore TIM.I am appealing to my african brothers yabotho and humprey to please ignore TIM.Don’t bother responding to him.

    He is only trying to provoke us.We are gentlemen ,so please let us not lose our cool over him.TIM has issues ,let us leave him to deal with his issues by himself.

    I apologise to everyone because it seems my interference has ruined this forum.If i had not made any comments here ,maybe TIM will not be making all these dangerous comments now.

    Once again i appeal to my brothers to ignore TIM,if he wants to continue this behaviour that is his own problem.We have better things to do.Our reason for being here is to shed some light on current affairs which affects this great Nation South Africa.

    TIM cannot make me lose my love and respect for fellow South Africans.I will always love South Africa,South Africans and Africa as a whole.This is my home and it is my duty to ensure that South Africa continues to remain a great country.

    Once in a while we will come accross people who wants to divide us,but true brotherly love cannot be broken by a few troublemakers.

    I respect everybody’s comments and i thank you all for giving me an opportunity to share my views with you.Stay blessed.

    The Ubuntu spirit lives on.

    VIVA SOUTH AFRICA – Amandla – Aluta Continua

  64. @Tim – I think you’ve made your point and you are entitled to your view. However, given some of your previous insightful comments on other posts I have to say I’m a little disappointed that you’re making sweeping statements about an entire nation. We are all individuals and perhaps you have had some bad experiences with a particular group but that does not mean you can say they are all like that. That’s as lousy as people saying things like ‘all blacks are stupid’ or all whites are racist – it’s just not correct.

    PM!tHERE ARE A NUMBER OF TRICKS USED IN DEBATES DEPENDING ON HOW ONE VIEW THEM.yO CAN DEBATE LEGALLY,ACADEMICALLY,MILITARILY,POLITICALLY OR RELIGIOUSLY AND HERE i WAS MILITARISTIC BEC AUSE ALL THAT I SAW AND I STILL DO WAS THE ENEMY MEANING THAT IF i WOULD BE FACING THE ANTAGONST I COULD HAVE UNLEASHED A VOLLEY OF BULLETS TO DESTROY THE ENEMY.

    BECAUSE HAVE NOT ABANDONED THE ARGUMENT SINCE I`M NOW TAKING MY ARGUMENT TO THE POWERS THAT BE AND SO FAR THEY HAVE RECEIVED MY REPORT,CONCLUSION,RECOMMENDATION AND MEMORANDUM MENING THAT I DON`T GENERALISE.

    AS THE PROTAGONIST ALLUDED THAT I`M AMONG THEM THAT THEREFORE GIVE ME THE RIGHT TO EXPRESS MY FINDINGS WHCH ARE THAT THERE ARE NO LAW-ABIDING,INNOCENT AND HONEST NGERIANS IN SOUTH AFRICA.THIS WAS IN ACTUAL FACT CONFIRMED BY A NIGERIAN WE SHOPPED-OUT IN HILLBROW FOR ABDUCTINGINNER-SCHOOLS GIRLS AND HOLDING THEM-UP AT A BUILING BASEMENT THEN ADDICTED AND PROSECUTED THEM THAT “WE NIGERIANS COME TO SOUTH AFRICA TO DO THIS TO GET CAPITAL TO START OUR BUSINESS BECAUSE WE ARE SUFFERING AND THERE`S NO WORK IN NIGERIA”.

    HE NEVER SAID SOME OF US BUT WE} ITS ALSO INCORRECT TO SAY THEY HELPED US BECAUSE ACCORDING TO MY RESEARCH;IF YOU REPORT TO IMMIGRATION OFFICIALS AT ANY COUNTRY IN THE CONTINRENT AS AN ASYLUM SEEKER THEY IMMEDIATELY PAASS YOU TO THE ANC OR PAC AND THEY DETAIN YOU WHILE THEY ARE MAKING ENQUIRIES ANBOUT HE ACCURACY OF YOUR STATUS INSIDE THE COUNTRY.

    EXILES WERE ALSO DETAINED IF FOUND OUTSIDE OF THEIR CAMPS AND HANDED TO THE NOTORIOUS INTELLIGENCE UNIT THAT WAS HEADED BY ZUMA AND YOU WILL BE DETAINED AND TORTURED BECAUSE IT WAS SUSPECTED THAT YOU MET APRTHEID AGENTS. RACE DOESN`T PLAY ANY ROLE IN THE FORMULATION OF MIGRATION POLICIES BUT NATIONAL SECURITY.IF YOU HAD GOOD NIGERIANS THEN YOU WOULD NOT HAVE HAVE HAD SO MANY COUNTRIES BANNING THEM.THESE COUNTRIES ARE ALSO SIGNATORIES TO THE GENEVA CONVENTION.

  65. Zille is pushing for migration policies to be tightened to protect our health from disease infection by foreigners,economy from sabotage by foreigners who come here undr the fence to buy counterfit and faked goods and then leave again under the fence odging custom and excise taxes,crimes aga8inst our people by foreigners and our opportunities and benefits and i don`t see anything wrong with that since that what national security s all about and zuma shuld commit himself to national securityand not job creation or rdp housing.

    Now,my submissions are that blacks must be accorded their section or chapter 9 rights in their entirety since the dnial of these rights to them and instead being granted to foreigners could be construed as the catalyst to the attacks to send a strong message to the government that we are not impressed by your neglect of us.

    The freedom charter needs to be revisited with the aim of linking the constitution to it.

    Traditional whit farmers must be obliged to go set-up workshops in all our ual areas o train rural people in farming and mentor them to make for the loss they inurred when Mandel took thei mining contracts away nd gave them to foreigners.

    foreigners whoeve they might be must be obliged to assist us to reconcile and heal,provide us with scarce skill,devlop local skill,grow our gdp and create jobs or they must not cme to this country to come and bcome a nuisanc and hindrance.

  66. Tim. The constitution was drafted by the ANC in line with the fredom charter which also, was developed by the very same organisation. The constitution also indicate the importanceof foreign relation.My unwelcomed advice to you is that: read these two document before you comment about them because we treasure them.

  67. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – You are still making a fool of yourself.Your comments are just fabricated lies.Keep it up…………………………………..

  68. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – You said ” disease prevention from foreigners” if that is the case how come SA has the highest HIV infection rate in the world.5.7 million SA citizens with HIV ,dummy.

  69. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – You said “foreigners come under the fence to buy counterfit goods and go back under the fence dodging customs”

    So you are saying SA international airports are empty ?The foreigners jump over the airport and avoid the customs?

    Are you saying SA products are conterfeit ?

    Which school did you go to ,Julius Malema University?

    I see you stole some of my comments which i made on another post,PM can attest to that.

  70. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – Why dont you just take a gun ,go and stand at the border or the airport and shoot every foreigner coming into the country since you like violence so much.

    Tim you are dumb ,plain and simple.You are not a man ,you are just a boy sitting behind his computer and making ignorant comments.

  71. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – Your stupidity never fails to amuse me.Obviously you have never traveled out of SA before that is why you have such a dumb opinion about Africa.

    Let me educate you boy

    South Africa is not the only country allowing foreigners within it’s borders.There are millions of South Africans working and living in the USA,Australia,England,Japan,Singapore ,Thailand,Nigeria,Ghana,Congo,Zimbabwe,Egypt,Algeria,Morocco,New Zealand,Iraq,Iran,Kuwait,Dubai.

    South Africans have been coming to Nigeria since the 60s.During Apartheid over 6,000 South African exiles came to live in Nigeria.Many of these South Africans were in their late 20s when they came to Nigeria.Our Government gave all the South African exile free tertiary education,free accommodation and jobs to keep them stable.Many of these SouthAfricans married our women and had children with them.

    About 28% of the Nigerians currently living in SA have South African fathers & Nigerian mothers.TIM you dont know anything about the sruggle,you were probably born in the 80 so you dont have a clue.

    During Apartheid ,Nigerian students starting from grade 7 were asked by the Red cross & Nigerian Government to donate money once a month to support the fight against apartheid.I remember taking red cross envelopes home every month to give my parents so that they can put some money inside which i later submitted to the red cross representatives in my school.

    These donations were not only received in Nigeria,the red cross collected these donations from many African countries.Every weekend our national televisions station usualy played documentaries showing the horrific attrocities committed against Blacks in South Africa and i remember how my parents,myself and my siblings always end up in tears after the program.

    These are memories that will never leave me,i did not experienced apartheid first hand but what i saw in those documentaries will never leave my memory.The donations collected from the african countries were then sent to the ANC headquarters in Africa where it was used to supply weapons to the MK soldiers who were fighting the boer army at the time.

    African leaders formed a delegation which went to England to protest and secure the release of Nelson Mandela.This delegation was headed by Nigerian and Ghanian Ministers and they forced the queen to disown the afrikaner government giving them an ultimatum to release Nelson mandela.

    The USA government followed suit threatening to cut all ties with SA if Nelson mandela was not released and if majority black rule is not allowed.Nelson mandela would not have been released if not for the immense pressure put on the west by the african delgation and the OAU.

    Facing several sanctions ,severe economic strain and the risk of economic isolation from the international community,the Afrikaner government had no choice but to release Nelson mandela and pave the way for a majority black rule.

    TIM before you come in here and talk crap about other Africans go and read about your history and know the facts of what happened in those days that lead to the freedom you abuse right now.

    South Africans are not the only ones who fought for the struggle,African countries as well as cuba are partly responsible for the freedom you enjoy today.When you make these horrible statements about foreigner ,i see you as a xenophobic bastard who deserve to be a taught a lesson about life.

    If you had been priviledged enough to travel out of SA and visit other countries you will realise that people migrate,that is the nature of humans.Africans are not the only ones who migrate,people from all over the world migrate to other countries.The indians who are now SA citizens are children of migrants who came to SA to work on railroads about 70 years ago,they are not even africans but you prefer them to africans.

    Whites came to SA 350 years ago,they are not natives but you prefer them to africans who are natives.You are a plain sight hypocrite.You talk tough by saying you beat up a Nigerian in hillbrow and he confessed to you he came to SA because there is no JOB in Nigeria.

    HaHaha………. you coward ,that story sounds so similar to a scene in a South African movie: JERUSALEMA,i see you have been watching a lot movies and getting ideas!

    Tim cowards like yourself always say things they can’t do,if you and xenophobic pals were so tough ,how come you guys could not defeat the NIGERIANS in hillbrow and yeoville last year during the xenophobic attacks.I watched it on E news and i heard from sources on the ground that The Nigerians gave you and your pals a good whooping.The only place you guys were successful was alexandra and cape town where your friends killed helpless congolese,zimbabweans and somalis who ran spaza shops.

    In your comments you say you responded with a militant tone because you see the enemy,so i am your “enemy” now.You are such a dumb kid.Tim be rest assured if you were my enemy you will be crapping in your pants right now because you can’t even take me on even if my eyes were closed.

    It is people like yourself who are raping SA women,killing SA farmers , committiing cash in transit heists,igniting xenophobic attacks and raping 2month old babies not to mention muti murders.You are so full of hate and hate only leads to violent crime.

    It is guys like you who gang rape and beat SA women because they are dating foreigners.You are jealous because your own women dont want you.How can they want you when you are always drunk ,violent ,rough and you treat them like dirt.

    If you are so tough go to hillbrow and say all these stuff in the midst of foreigners…….

    You are saying Nigerians are hated worldwide…………..Hahaha……………….what about Southafrican criminals like yourself? In many countries all over the world SA men especialy blacks are regarded as rapists,murderers,drunks,junkies,child molesters,drug dealers,corporate fraudsters,fly by night scam artists e.t.c so before you start pointing fingers take a good look in your closet.

    If you doubt this visit this link :http://www.topix.com/forum/world/south-africa

    The Murder rate in SA is the second highest in world.

    The Rape rate in SA is the highest in the world

    The robbery rate is one of the highest in the world

    SA is ranked the second most dangerous place to live in the world,only surpassed by colombia.

    Pick a Daily Sun Newspaper to see the Havoc which evil men like yourself wreck on other Southafrican Lives.

    You come here and preach that you a patrotic South Africans but insult your own South African brothers,Foreigners and indirectly admitted that you hated being a black.

    If you think your fabricated lies will shut me up,you are mistaken.I am waiting for your next pointless,ill informed,evil,idiotic comments so i can fire back and show everyone here that you are an evil, self centered ,whiteman wanna be ,disgrace to the African race.

  72. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – You said “zuma should commit himself to national security and not job creation or rdp housing”

    Can you hear yourself at all or is the cocaine getting to your brains,you are saying ZUMA should focus on National Security (your defination of National Security is that Government should kick out foreigners) and not bother about Job creation or RDP houses for South Africans.

    You want your fellow South Africans to remain unemployed and to have no shelter over their heads.

    TIM you deserve a “good beating” for that statement alone.

    Tim you also said : “Traditional white farmers must be obliged to go set-up workshops in all our rural areas to train rural people in farming and mentor them to make for the loss the incurred when Mandela took their mining contracts away and gave them to foreigners”

    What has farming got to do with Mining?

    You know TIM you have no respect for elders,How dare you insult Mr Mandela Like that?Which foreigners did Mr Mandela give mining rights to in South Africa.Is Mr tokyo Sexwale a foreigner or is Mr Patrice Motsepe a foreigner?

    You talk out of your A– and you are definately brain dead.You have exposed yourself to everyone here that you a stupid liar.Show us proof of a foreigner who owns a MINE in SA.Surely this foreigner’s MINE must have a name and a website that we can all look at.

    TIM you are just bitter because you are a nobody,you are probably unemployed,have no future ambition ,have no woman so you blame it all on foreigners.You think they are here to take your benefits.

    Let me ask these question how many foreigners receive grants in SA ? None

    How many foreigners gained employment in SA without a green ID book? Very few

    How many foreigners enjoy the benefits which SA citizens enjoy like bank loans,eligibility to compete in SA competions without a green ID book ? NONE

    You say foreigners dont pay TAX,you are dumber than i thought.Maybe you have not heard of V.A.T. Every item which a foreigner buys from the shops has government VAT included in it’s price.

    You come here and mouth off,you lazy coward.I will dress you down and expose you for the bitter worthless loser that you are.You a common criminal who just happen to be able to type on keyboard.You come and spread your message of hate and violence.Remember this saying and dont take it for a joke:

    You live by the gun you … by the gun.

    And next time ,please plan your lies carefuly so that i wont be able to debunk them.

  73. PM,I RESPECT YOUR WISHES AND WILL TRY TO HONJOUR THEM BY DESISTING FROM COMMENTS THAT WILL GO AGAINST THEM.

    tHANK YOU TO THE BRITISH ANTI-APARTHEID MOVEMENT{ALL WHITE}FOR ITS RELENTLESS AND TIRELESS EFFORTS IN CAJOLING AND COHORTING CONSERVATIVE BRITISH OF THE 80`S TO IMPOSE ARMS EMBARGO,ECONOMIC SANCTIONS,SPORTS AND CULTURUAL BOYCOTTS AND FOR DE KLERK TO TWIST THE ARM OF THE ANC TO DROP ITS ARMED STRUGGLE BECAUSE ITS THE EU SANCTIONS,EMBARGOS AND BOYCOTTS THAT BROUGHT THE PREVIOUS GOVERNMENT ON ITS KNEES AND NOTHING AND NOBODY ELSE!ANYTHING YOU HEAR ITS UNTESTED GREEN LIES.

    DAMMIT!!!WE HAD SUCH A GREAT COUNTRY PRIOR TO 1994 AND HERE YOU HAVE THESE BUFFOONERIES BRINGING US ALL THIS JUMBLE AND CONCOCTION OF DAMSELS LEADING TO THE INFECTION OF OUR PEOPLE WITH A VARIETY OF DISEASES LIKE POLIO,DYSENTERY,MALARIA,AIDS ETC AND THE DESECRATION OF OUR PEOPLE`S SOCIL FIBRES AND FAMILY FABRIC OF LIFE AND rapists,murderers,drunks,junkies,child molesters,drug dealers,corporate fraudsters,fly by night scam artists e.t.c so before you start pointing fingers take a good look in your closet.

    The Murder rate in SA is the second highest in world SINCE THE PROLIFERATION OF THIS JUMBLE SALE TO THIS COUNTRY!

    The Rape rate in SA is the highest in the world SINCE THEIR ARRIVAL!

    The robbery rate is one of the highest in the world SINCE THEIR ARRIVAL!

    SA is ranked the second most dangerous place to live in the world,only surpassed by colombia SINCE THEIR ARRIVAL!

    yeee black jaaaaames!!!!!!!youuu`re in the zooooooo!!!!!!!!!!you look like a monkey toooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!

  74. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – Where is the proof that foreigners own mines in SA you arrogant illiterate.

    Check this link and see what people like yourself are doing to fellow South Africans .Daily pointless murders and South African owned mines that dont pay workers for 3 months making them work as slaves.

    Here read : http://www.afrikaner-genocide-achives.blogspot.com

    Are foreigners responsible for that too ? Now that i have shut you up,you are pretending to respect PM,why didnt you listen to him when he first appealed to you.Everyday i put people like you in their place.It is people who think like you that are responsible for the violent crimes in this country and the continent.

    Your hatred of foreigners will eat you up one day.

    Did you know that LUCKY DUBE was killed because he was mistaken for a Nigerian? Idiots like yourself killed this gentle reggae icon because of their hatred and jealousy of Nigerians .

    Read Here : http://www.hottestgossip.co.za/?p=5624

    Read Here : http://allafrica.com/stories/200902060008.html

    Read Here : http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2463552,00.html

    You see what blind hatred causes?May GOD save your soul you evil thug.

    People like you shot and killed a two year old Nigerian baby while she was sleeping in her corlett gardens home :

    Read Here : http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=15&art_id=vn20070413000109556C335490

  75. i fill very stupid for respondin to this tim guy cause i realise that he is nothin. i think wonkie is trying to check if we really believe that there can be a person this stupid. I have got you.

  76. lunatics and freaks do sometimes get haunted by their evils against humanity and they always end-up ranting and raving like this carbon dioxide in desperation fearing that their victims are about to revenge .

    Their guilt ridden fears are what are driving them to suffer withdrawal symptons and unfortunately I`m not goin to suffer demented morons gladly because the public will end-up lumping me with them.

    I will also not abuse this blog and use it as a battlefield but for its purpose.

    I`m waging my wars against my enemies on the ground through the police and the powers thyat be.I look-out for crime fronting dubious and fraudulen money-laundering businesses and tip my dedicated cops off and you must see how they raced off to the address given.

    A nigerian woman was running a fraudulent exclusiver clothing business in Rosebank and I smelt a rat and contacted my Hillbrow cops and within minutes they were there and she tried shouting at them and they took her to the police station and she dropped dead and died right there.

    I have submitted my recommendations and proposals to the Intelligence that they must acknowledge the threats posed by these nigerian bandits,vampires and frewaks and defend our gullible and vulnerable people and indeed it will go to the President,Cabinet and National Assembly for consideration.

    They must ask Gaddaffi why he unleashed his soldiers to hunt down nigerians and kick them out of Tripoli…it was indeed to protect citizens.

    The Nigerian Consulate in Rosebank and the UNHCR WILL CONFIRM THAT DURING THE ATTACKS TWO-HUNDRED -AND-EIGHTY NIGERIANS WIMPS AND NERDS BURST INTO THEIR OFFICES DEMANDING TO BE SENT BACK HOME AND A THOUSAND NIGERIANS THREATENED TO SHALL SUE THE GOVERNMENT FOR THE LOSS OF THEIR LOOTED STOCK BY THE ATTACKERS AND THIS DISPROVE THE NONSENSE THAT NIGERIANS DROVE ATTACKERS AWAYIT WILL BE CONFIRMED THAT IN TEOVILLE AND HILLBROW NO ATTACKS TOOK PLACE AND AGAIN COCAINE AND HEROINE SEEMS TO BE DRIVING THE MIND OF THIS SCUMBAG.

    i HAVE HERE A COPY OF MY APTITUDE TEST RESULTS FROM WITS AND I DON`T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT ME HAVING A LOW IQ!THE OPENING SENTENCE SYS I ESTABLISHES RAPPORT.YOU HAV YOUR OWN IMAGINATION AS TO WHO IS DEMENTED AND MORONIC HERE ,MR CHAIRMAN.

  77. sTUPID PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO VOTE WITH THEIR EYES AND NOT THEIR BRAINS.THE PEOPLE I CALL UNINTELLIGIBLE VOTERS!THEY DON`T KNOW THEIR COUNCILLORS AND MP`S BECAUSE THEY ARE ABNDONED SOON AFTER THY VOTE TO SHOW THEM THAT THEY ARE VOTING STATISTICS HENE THEY ARE CLLED BASTARDS THAT MUST BE SHOT AND MAN!ARE THEY BEING SHOT?

    STUPID PEOPLE ARE THOSE WHO NEVER INTERACT WITH TH PARTY THEY HAVE JUST VOTED BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEY WILL NOT BE GIVEN ANY AUDIENCE.STUPID PEOPLE RE TH ONES WHO ARE BEING RVGED BY THESE NIGERIAN CARBON DIOXIDE BUT DON`T SEE BECUSE THEY ARE OBSSESSED WITH RACE.STUPID PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO SHOUT FREEDOM DEMOCRACY BUT ARE NOT ENJOYING ANY FREEDOM NOR DEMOCRACY EXCEPT THE FREEDOM ANF DEMOCRACY TO BE LAWLESS AND A NUISANCE.MAY I SAY ANY MORE?

  78. i REPEAT!!MANDELA SCRAPPED THE MIGRANT LABOUR SYSTEM WHICH WAS THE ONLY FORM OF INCOME FOR OUR RRAL FOLKS AND PASSED IT ONTO SADC FOREIGNERS ARGUING THAT SOUTH AFRICANS MUST RUN BUSINESSES ANFD NOT WORK FOR EXPLOITATIVE EMPLOYERS AND THE FORTY THOUSAND MOZAMBICANSA WHO RAN BACK TO THEIR COUNTRY DURING THE ATTACKS WERE WORKING IN MOTSEPE`S MINES UNDER THAT POLICY AD KNOW NOTHING ABOUT MINING RIGHTS MEANING THAT THAT WAS TH FIGMENT OF THIS HALLUCINATING CARBON DIOXIDE.

  79. he DA is the next government in this country…come what may!!!The fact that it can come second best despite the ANC`s dangling of the carrot to entice and it offered voters no such freebies but dedicate itself to service delivery and win the vote of confidence of the citizens it shows that i has a guaranteed voter-base.

    if this ANC ENJOYED A GUARANTEED VOTE WHY DID IT FELTHREATENED BY COPE AND GO AS FAR AS EMBARKING ON CRIMINAL TACTICS TO DAMPEN I?>WHY DID THEY HAVE TO BUS STREET PEOPLE AFTER THEY SECRETLY HELPED THEM TO APPLY FOR id`S TO THE POLLS AND REPAY THEM WITH BOOZE AND BRAAI MEAT!SHAME!

  80. JamesBlacks says:

    @Wonkie Team & Everybody – I was wondering if you guys have seen this or made a cartoon about it.I came accross this very disturbing story about Zuma’s daugther spending R400,000 on her birthday bash and to make matters worse she arrived in a 1.8 million rand Aston Martin.

    Being a supporter of the ANC i am very concerned because this is not what the Zumas should be doing right now.They are giving the opposition Ammo and in my opinion they are acting like they don’t care what people think.

    R400,000 is a lot of money for a brithday party.That money can build at least 2 Rdp houses if not more.That is just a waste of money with the current situation SA is in right now and Mr Zuma’s past i would expect that the Zumas will be more careful how they behave in the public eye.

    Question might arise about who footed the bill.

    What do you guys think?

    Here the link for that story : http://www.thetimes.co.za/Entertainment/Article.aspx?id=1003571

  81. Zille doesn`t go to the townships to play into the media gallery like this luthuli house bunch but to go listen to cries for help to wrenswch lured and abducted and enslaved girls from suspect bsinesses,obtain shck building material,intervene in school problems where children are threatened with dismissal because parents are behind with school fees,crime and gangs and she won`t leave until she has delivered to these people.she doesn`t go therecto plitic or bcker or pontificate and that`s how she secure her ready available votes

  82. it’s always wise to be more cautious and careful around the horn during a void time-span because questionable forces are on the prowl. Once the Moon floats upon Scorpionic currents it’s perfectly fine to don my garb as an amateur detective. Visualize myself as a modern-day Sherlock Holmes – tracking down mysterious agents of chaos and confusion with a mind tuned into problem-solving and getting to the root of aberrant behavior patterns. Ferreting out secrets and conducting rigorous research .

  83. [ANC youth league comments] are defamatory since these insults impairs her dignity and disrepute her image and status.What is said its the fact that this very ANC cry foul if negative things are said about its presidents asking if critics have no respect for someone holding a high office!

    Its recent threat to shll bus Eastern Cape youths to Capetown to destabilise it to deny the DAS majority votes in next years local government elections was so serious that I cannot understand that it was never taken seriously!They desecrated johannesburg the same way by bussing troublesome charlatans however I can assure you that they have very little chance of success.The DA IS A RESIDENT cAPETOWN PARTY AND THE ONLY PARTY THAT CAN REMOVE IT ITS THE ONE THAT PROMISE TO SHALL DO BETTER THAN THE D A AND THERE`S NO SUCH PARTY CURRENTLY SO THE DA IS THERE TO STY BECAUSE IT DID NOT PUT ITSELF THERE BUT CAPETONIANS AND ITS CAPETONIANS THAT WILL REMOVE IT!

    IT SHOULDN`T BE SEEN IN A BAD LIGHT THAT SHE DIDN`T TAKE ANY ACTION SINCE ONE HAS GOT TO UNDERSTAND HOW POLITICIANS WORK.SHE OF COURSE DID RAISE THIS WITH ZUMA DURING THEIR RECENT MEETING AND HE PROBABLY APOLOGISED AND PROMISED TO SHALL REIGN-IN THE CHIMPANZEES!

  84. HAHA,IS JULIUS MALEMA TRYING TO LOOK LIKE A PROFESSOR IN THE CARTOON?WOW!THIS LOAD IS TOO HEAVY TO HANDLE!

  85. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – I believe you will find this video interesting.I want you to see the different views held by different Nigerias in SA.Make sure you watch it till the end:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E14BeQp0W4w

    This is another video and sting operation which was made possible by Nigerian underground informants in durban to fight the uneducated imbeciles in our midst,the police was asked not to mention where or who gave them the tips for the safety of those underground decent Nigerians.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syhT3nTWFdI

    Several Nigerians have been working for the SAPS and the NPA to bring down these drugs lords and pimps.Unfortunately for their own safety and for the safety of their family members back home in Nigeria,these unsung heroes have to remain anonymous.

    Also read this :

    http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/f575d5d211464ad5ac0a131f4bbb12e1//Nigerian_to_fight_crime_in_PE

    Finaly read this report,it the a report about the development of crime in SA :

    http://www.iss.co.za/ASR/8NO6/MainTrends.html

  86. jaa noo,we{blacks}are being annihiliated and colonised by these myopic and shortsighted rulers!

    I went to a home affairs office and was turned away because it only helped foreigners.I read in the papers that the johannesburg municipality is setting-up a help desk for foreigners to come-in and seek help to acquire premises to start business,approach banks to help them with start-up capital,being assisted to find work by being reffered to databased companies and accommodation amidst a sea of our people who also seek the same help.And mind you-all this is paid for by you,the taxpayer!Now is this text xenophobia and will this abject and blatant preferential tretment and racism and discrimination not lead to xenophobia? Noo,the fact that when these papsak and papbroek rulers came back from exdile they went to formerly white conservative areas where there were still attacks on blacks and there were few blacks and they abandoned their black lovers and took white lovers was an indication of their contempt for blacks.Their most victims during the struggle were blacks and not whites.White public servants were ejoying a good life while blacks were petrol bombed and necklaced and extorted and assassinated.

  87. JamesBlacks says:
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  89. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – Well this is the first i have heard about the help desk you are talking about.I guess the government is trying to assist some foreigners so that they dont go into crime.

    I understand your frustration with home affairs but believe me we foreigners face the same problem.At least as a south african home affairs officials will do things for you for free but as a foreigner ,if you dont bribe them you wont even get an application form.

    They attend to foreigners quickly because they know that they can extort money from foreigners.The Home affairs is generaly currupt and everyone is affected by their curruption.

    And mind you those help desk wont be free,i am sure they will still extort money from foreigners before they assist them to start a business.No one is winning here except maybe the home affairs officials.

    Foreigners are slaves to home affairs officials,when they bark we jump.Foreigners are not taken serious by the government,the government just make up these schemes to pretend like they care about foreigners but the truth is nobody cares.

    In your eyes you feel your tax money is being used to help outsiders ,well go to the home affairs and pretend to be a foreigner,you will see how they will extort you from application forms to approval letters.Members of the Nigerian union has appealed to the ministry of home affairs for years to scrap the marriage permits and only issue work ,study permits and business permits but they refused.

    The home affairs makes tens of millions of rands every month from these forced marriages.When ever a foreigner goes to the home affairs to get a new permit ,right from the doorstep ,you will find southafrican agents at the entrance telling you that they have contacts inside the home affairs.

    They will also be quick to point out to you that the easiest permit to get is a mariage permit.They will tell you a price and if you agree they will organise a girl for you from soweto or alexandra.You will be required to pay the girl R3000 just to marry you.Then they will take you inside to meet their home affairs offical who will orgnise the documents and arrange the marriage.All in all you will spend at least R5000.

    Unfortunately too many dumb foreigners(most of them uneducated and illinformed) fall for this trap.What happens next is that this agents now use the girl which you married to extort money from you.The girls will call the foreigners and threaten to go to the police if he does dont pay monthly maintenance fee.

    You automaticaly become an ATM for the girl,you end up paying her rent in soweto and buying groceries once a month.Not that i pity the foreigners who have been victims of these scam,in my opinion they deserve it .They should never have married someone they dont intend to keep as a wife in the first place.

    My point is Home affair does not like anyone ,they only take care of themselves.If you are not willing to bribe them ,you wont get anything.Very unfortunate but true.The marriage permit should be scrapped completely.

  90. JamesBlacks says:

    @TIM – I do understand your frustration about the help desk being set up for foreigners but remember that for many years now.The government has made several opportunities available to black South Africans but these opportunities have been under utilised and most times mismanaged.

    Blacks have been given a chance to get good jobs through BEE but many yound blacks SouthAfricans dont want to go to school anymore,they want to get quick money.You find many youths taking up kwaito music careers because they feel that is one of the ways to become rich quickly.

    Many SA kids are dropping out of school to become taxi drivers,Djs ,kwaito singers e.t.c The educational level in SA is terrible,the matric pass rate is horrific.

    Another thing i have noticed is that most SA blacks especialy the rural ones are too proud to do some certain jobs.Let me give you an example.There are many unemployed Sa girls between the ages of 18 and 30.They dont want to work as maids.They prefer to date sugar daddies or taxi bosses rather than work as maids.The only SA black maids you can hire are old women in their 40s.

    On the other you find young zimbabwean girls who are willing to work as a maid.In my house i currently employ a zimbabwean maid who is 22 years old.When i was looking for a maid,i asked my south african friends to help me get one but they told me point blank in their own words : ” South African young women dont do those kind of dirty jobs,they can work as an office clerk but never a maid”

    But when you go to a place like yeoville ,you will find hundreds of young zimbabweans who are ready to work as maids.if you look around these days you see that zimbabweans are being employed everywhere as maids,shop assistants,gardners e.t.c

    This is because they will take whatever they are offered without complaining.The Sa rural blacks on the other are choosy,they will try to get an employer who can pay them R4000 a month just working as maid which is not feasible.

    Another problem is that only a few SA blacks speak good english but most zimbabweans speak very fluent english and are usualy well educated.My maid dropped out of the university because she could no longer pay her fees.She decided to come to SA to work for a year and save up money to return to school.

    In my humble opinion,i feel that these SA rural blacks are not competitive enough.They should accept any job they can find so that they can at least manage to put food on the table.Another thing is the brain drain SA is suffering.

    I dont mean this in a bad way but most Blacks who have gotten big positions in big companies are usualy incompetent because they lack adequate skills to handle that position.

    Just recently my cousin who is a medical doctor in CANADA told me that an SA black doctor has been suspended in canada because he was very incompetent.Here is the link i found for that story :
    http://www2.canada.com/reginaleaderpost/news/story.html?id=bf8d3913-af19-4b05-84d2-e2b7314a11ae

    I mean people are complaining ,look at the SABC.Now the SABC is broke due to mismanagement,look at South African Airways,same story.Look at Eskom all going down the drain at a rapid rate.And these failures have all been blamed on black management and BEE in particular.

    It seems this individuals are rushed into these positions without undergoing proper training ,skills development and testing.

    Something is going terribly wrong here.The issue of skills training & development should be attended to urgently otherwise all this state infrastructures will collapse under massive incompetence.

    The truth hurts but it is the truth.

  91. News reports almost daly are that the polic ar xnophoic by deporting tens of thousands of Zimbabwe Ndebeles or MDC supporters to that ncertain and persecutin country but the truth of the mtter its that its for the secrit of our people tht the police are doig this.

    THESE PEOPLE RE FRIEND O OUR ENEMIES AND THEY RE BUSSED HERE BY OUR ENEMIES TO COME AND ESTABILISE,FRUSTRATE,DENY US OUR OPPORTUNITIES AND BENEFIT AND EMBARK ON TERORISM AGAINST US AS THEY USED TO ATTACK US IF WE VENTURE ANYWHERE NEAR THE BUILDINGS AND HOUSES THEY HIACK AND TURN INTO THEIR LITLE HOMELANDS AND SINCE THIS CAMPAIGN OF TH POLICE THEY HAVE NOW MWELLOWE AND ARE NOW STARTING TO BE FRIENDLY WITH US.

    THE ONLY FOREIGNERS THAT ARE M TRUE FRIENDS ARE THE SHONAS BECAUSE THEY COME TO ME AND INTODUCE THEMSELVES O ME AND ASSURE ME OF THEIR COMRAQDESHIP.

    DURING THE NEXT FEW DAUYS I WILL BE MAKIN A ECISION AS TO IF I`M LIVING THE COUNTRY OR EMBARKING ON AN ARMED STRUGGLE FOR MY FEEDOMS AND HMN RIGHTS WHICH HAS ELUDED ME EVR SINCE R COMMITTING SUICIDE SINCE BE A BLACK SOUTH AFRICAN ITS A SHAME N THE EYES OF THE WORLD DUE TO THEIR SUBJUGATIN THEMSELVES TO THE VRY EOPLE THEY WAGED THEIR STRUGGLE AGAINST.

    SORRY PM I HAVE ONLY 15 MINUTES BEHIND THE PC SINCE I USE BORROWED PC FROM FRONT OFFICE DESKS AND GET ONLY 5 TO 15 MINUTES.THIS GOVERNMENT IDS DRING US O O OR DAMNDEST TO COMFORT AND ONVENIENCE OSELVES AND THE ONLY WAY TO DEAL WIT AN ACIDIC,IRRASCIBLE AND STUBORN GOVERNMENT IS THROUGH AN ARMD INSURRECTION.DUE TO MY AGE I`M NOT FIT TO CAN EMBARK ON THAT CAMIGN SO SUICIDE WILL BE THE OPTION.

  92. James Black, kind sir, why did you come to SA in the first place? Let me guess, to protect your ‘arse’, and, to make money that you cannot make in Nigeria. You employ a Zimbabwean black as your nanny, why? Cheap labour, if not paid at all. Then you criticize Helen Zille for being a hypocrite. She did a complete turn around for the Western Cape, something the ANC couldn’t do, and protected you foreigners against the xenophobic attacks. You quote websites! Where did they come from????? Give me your e-mail address and I’ll send you some of the Worlds best Engineers, viz, IT, computers, civil, mechanical and others employed at NASA, and, they’re from India. You did hear of NASA? FYI, not all Indians voted for the Minority Front, in fact I believe it was only 3%, 16% for the ANC and the balance either the DA or abstained. What is so special with you blacks that when no-one agrees with their stupidity, then they threaten to kill them. Remember James, you are a foreigner, and when there’s another Xenophonic attack on you people, don’t run to the Police Station for protection.

  93. yee,pissoff man… and not on my head… here we have hordes of illiterate and unskilled nigerians who are helped by the druglords to make some money and who have not graced our IT or Engineering or Mnufacturing or Science industries but security guard industry and who now are not fighting to be allowed to be engineers or scientists or it specialists but to be carguards and you come and talk like terreblanche about our people.

    If this government would have admitted you in this country in line with our migration laws you would have been deported for this bile and diatribe you`re spewing-out against our people because our migration laws says that foreigners must come here to fight child delinquency,anti-social behaviour,lawlessness,underdevelopment ,joblessness and homlessness.

    while we are choking and bleeding in your crimes against us of taking our children out of school to hijack cars and steal cellphones and lure girls for you you are mocking them here.our people are unable to have accounts because of you stealing their personal details and go open accounts with them and leaving them blacklisted you come andtalk shit

  94. what tim just said is absolutely true. we cant have such vile disgusting behaviour here!!!!!! we need to cut out and elliminate this kind of cancer in our society. to hell with you little wimp!!!!!!!!

  95. Nonhlakanipho Lu2li House says:

    Deena and Tim u both don t belong 2 SA so stop with this stupid conflict between u foreigners or else i will give both of you a 2 month notice to pick up your shit “ASSES” and leave us in peace………….the least you foreigners can do is to sit and watch us enjoy our lives in our country. 1 pig belongs to INDIA then the other 1 belongs to ZIM you are the main causes of the STRESS FRAUD AIDS and all the SHIT in our country

  96. African says:

    Hell to all especially Tim and his like. First of all I see this is a old forum but I would like to add my say and i am new here. Mr Tim I am very sorry to tell you that I am African (not Nigerian) who came to great South Africa, lived there over ten years got a South African citizenship and travel all over the world.

    However, I never did any crime anywhere in the world even though if I did I could not confess here and you well know that. My point I want upset you today Mr Tim is this, when I was in South Africa I head a great idea and I came overseas to gather some money for this plan and here is my dream.

    I would like to open a new political party under the name KKFF (Kwere-Kwere freedom front) I am sure that the beautiful name can tell you all but I am much happy to explain you some more. This future South African political party will be only for the foreign Africans in South Africa.

    We are not concern on any land, Zulu, Indian or Xhosa issue. We are not after the gold, diamonds or platinum. We only are going to fight with all South Africa parties in the parliament to have the full right to sell every fonko fault/fake or rubbish goods every way in South Africa, This is only our aim. And our manifesto will be “presentable goods is easy & good for all”. so what you Mr Tim think about my Party? Will you go and buy a Nigerian passport in order to join the movement.

    I would like to end here by reminding you Mr Pissed off Tim that former President Mbeki said many times that South Africa is for those who lives in it, and we are there to stay, so South Africa is for all of us you like it or not Mr Tim. untill then please have a good day.

  97. sorry up there, the first word was “HELLO TO ALL”

  98. African!!!Countries all over the world have very strong migration policies on uniform to affect all foreigners and its citizens of those countries that mandate their governments to come-up with such laws.

    What you don`t know its that the majority of Quadro or Quattro detainees were exiles who escaped from camps to townships or villages and were sold-out by locals {who today ewants us to tolerate them in this country}and their cops handed them over to their organisation and got locked-up on being suspected of being spies.

    Go to their countries and see if you will receive the hospitality that they are getting in this country and abusing it or see if are they fighting their government to stop detaining asylum-seekers.Because of their strong migration laws they haven`t had the effects that we have of drug-deaths,drug arrests inb foreign countries and pilloring by powerful bodies like amnesty,human rights lobbies for being xeno-when we deport them or deny them certain services they don`t qualify for.

    unlike you i work very closely with government as this recent annou ncement about conscription is just part of my recommendations to government.

  99. Time: i didn’t asked you to tell me what you don’t know about the world or to advertise your post so the Nigerians can bring the bribes to you. i told you about my new KKFF party and i asked you if you are going to join. however, i would like you to know that if you would like to join the big party then you need to go out and buy a foreign passport even a malawi one can give you a chance. i don’t care you are President, minister or member of NIA if in the next comment you don’t talk straite i will ban you from any future membership in my party so the choice is yours.

  100. I`M NO TIME BUT TIM!

    WHAT`S HE ON ABOUT…HE`S SO IMMATURE,VAGUE AND OBTUSE THAT I JUST CAN`T DECIPHER HIS MESSAGE

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