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2012 End of World

Will the World End in 2012?

21 Dec 2012 is only 1072 days away as of today. This particular winter solstice, according to Mayan prophecy sees an alignment of a number of planetary bodies which will result in cataclysmic events on Earth. This date is also the end-date of a 5,125 year cycle in the Mayan calendar.

Wonkie is hopeful that the world will not end only because it can already imagine what an amazing New Year party that would make. Regardless, Wonkie sees another great opportunity for single people across the world to get innovative with their pick-up lines in 2011.

For more about the Mesoamerican long count calendar and the significance of 2012 check out 2012 on Wikipedia.

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  1. The world cannot end until I take it over!!

  2. Hastheworldgonecrazy says:

    Don’t think the WORLD will end. I do think that we as a species may well be facing cataclysmic situation of extraordinary proportions, and may well slide into extinction. We have properly messed up this planet, and must face the consequences of our selfish and greedy actions! The world, per se, will continue, with hopefully a new and more evolved dominant species in some distant future, and will only end when our sun goes supernova. We deserve this. We have been TERRIBLE tenants, and I think it’s about time planet Earth simply shrugged us off!

  3. only God knows when the world will come to an end it could be anytime now or even after 2012, but we just hope and pray to be alive by 2012 and see if this prediction is true.

  4. Lifes Lekker says:

    No ways, life goes on beyond 12.

  5. That’s absolutely nonsensical, Only God knows, he’s got plans for us.

  6. You know God brought his only chilld (Jesus) to die for our sins, i watched 2012, people were dying like ants, it was so horrible, so crazy, i’m sure God loves us all.

  7. i think it will or something will happen that will alter the way we live or the way the world operates .

  8. Louis du Plessis says:

    We are going to be hit with a big inter-stellar bullshit bomb!

  9. The truth is that all these natural disasters have been signs of the world coming to an end at some point for many years – call it “rehearsals”. Yes! it could probably be 2012, it could probably be 2011, but the most and best probability is that it could be any time now. God has many ways to reveal the end but are we LISTENING to what He is saying. What efforts have we made to burn our sins that we got our selves into. How much love do we give to the elements which is taking it’s toll for our wrong doing and taking advantage over it’s true quality of being subservient to all human beings! Are we ready to change our bad to good almost instantly so that when these disasters hit us – we are able to handle the situation to the best of our abilities?? Or seeing the 2012 movie like all other predictions of the world coming to an end movies makes no sense to us – thinking “Well it’s a joke!, Well we still have time on hand, Well God will come riding a white horse to reveal to us the fact of the coming end of the world – then only we will get ready”. But if I can see with my very own eyes what is happening around the world – does that not it self prove the coming end of the world?. Remember the story of the Boy and Wolf? Whether we like it not, whether we believe or not, the coming of the end of the world is at our door step – welcome it as we are now in a world which is full of all the vices, impurity, crime, poverty, etc. The coming of the end of the world will of course do a major cleansing in order for newness to happen – for us to experience a beautiful happy go lucky life of bliss, happiness, peace, love, purity, power, silence and wisdom. The coming end of the world is a major cleansing process – where all the elements get together and does a major spring cleaning!! It will be like the world is going to be a washing machine – to wash all the stains and muck that has stained it for so long. So am I ready to change for the best so that cleansing will be easy for me??

  10. I personally believe that this world will come to an end date and time is not known to humankind, but, signs are there as this has already be prognosticated. every one can use his or her own discretion based in the word of God, this need require a know how about the word of God i know some of you u might not be sharing with me the same but that does not necessitate me not to cough what i have in my mind,lets share.i believe in Living word of God no ways i can fear to say it out – think safe,softly discover something new with this please try your best to understand be more that me thank you –

  11. Ol' Pliny says:

    Four possibilities:
    a- If dependant on mankind, much has being destroyed anyhow.
    b- For those taking the Bible literally, it provides no date. (Luke 21:11)
    c- The wayouts will soon scan the heavens for the rescue comet behind the lineup.
    d- We”ve heard this ‘bullshit bomb’before – haven’t we Louis.Yawnnnnn.

  12. the bible says and scientist discoveries also predict the world might come to end, who knows only God

  13. In 1999 it was said by other prophets that the world is coming to an end but now it is 2010 and we are still living. So it is just a myth that the world will end.
    If maybe somebody like Jesus may be born or come to earth and perform miracles
    then we could believe this myth.

  14. Abel Mathebula says:

    Although we are witnessing a series of unusual climatical changes with the Snow in Europe and the devastating Earthquake that just hit Haiti, the World is not going to end in 2012.

  15. Your world will come to a end on the 1st Jan 2013 -when your wife discovers that all your savings went to the girls you celebrated the end of the world with in 2012.

  16. There’ll be more dead people than the one who are still living through HIV/AIDS, Poverty, War over power… We are in the process of the end, days are moving faster for people to sin less, global warming and ect. On 2012 more people will be poor, sick(infected by various diseases) and those on high positions there’ll be fighting against each other for POWER and sacrificing innocent souls.

  17. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    lol, 2012? No, of course not.

    But, there’s always potential for a cataclysmic world event. The dinosaurs were presumably wiped out by an enormous asteroid (65 Million years ago), similarly, 250 Million years ago, an extinction event wiped out nearly 90% of all living species at that time (the Permo-Triassic extinction).

    For those who can wait, the Earth won’t last forever, a billion years from now, our planet will be a barren rock, as our sun continues to excel, until 6 billion years later, Earth will be swallowed up, by an expanding sun.

    As for imaginary fairies, god, gods and myths; apocalypse myths are almost universal amongst all cultures. It’s almost as if humans are insecure beasts, but can you really blame us. For the vast majority of our history we were the prey (until we started to create large communities), and even then we started to prey amongst ourselves (war, crime etc.). The insistence that there has to be an end to everything is very much a part of the human condition, since we’re all trying to come to terms with our mortality.

    In many ways, the fact that we hide our insecurity behind imaginary gods is even more “cute”.

  18. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    Erratum: sun continues to expand, lol not excel.

  19. All sinners will perish and only those who believe in God Almighty will be saved. If the world will collapse what will happenend to the believers or where will they be? This is religious politics. Christians bible says that and other religious scrolls/documents/writngs speaks differently which one is correct? This is confusion indeed maybe we should just pray God and forget about these various prophets/religion.

  20. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Msandas I always enjoy this sort of religious outbursts, because it always reminds me of Pascal’s wager (and I find it so hilarious). Pascal in case you don’t know was a French philosopher who argued that you should wager or assume that god exists, because if you didn’t you’re in for a shock (i.e. Hell). In other words, believing in god is better than not believing, because the punishment for not believing is significantly higher.

    Interestingly, you can also apply Pascal’s wager in another way, that it actually makes sense not to believe in a god, because given the sheer number of imaginary gods and deities created on our Earth, by so many different cultures, if one of them (i.e. Ganesh, Krishna, Baal, Zeus, Mithra” actually exist and they’re not the Judeo-Christian god, then you’re really in for a tough time.

    Obviously, all of this will go over your head, since you’re reply will be the stock standard christian reply of “But Jesus is the one true god… and it says so in the bible”.

  21. IN AS MUCH AS THE MAYANS CALENDAR HAS BEEN USED TO PREDICT THE MAYANS LIFE I KNOW THIS IS NOT ME AND MY FAMILYS’ PORTION IN CHRIST NAME.
    THE WORLD COMING TO AN END IS ONLY AND I REPEAT ONLY KNOWN BY THE CREATOR HIMSELF NOT EVEN BY CHRIST, THIS WAS MADE KNOWN TO US BY CHRIST HIMSELF AND HE GAVE THE SIGHS
    IN CONCLUSION NO MAN KNOWS BUT THE ALMIGHTY.

  22. We still gonna live a long live in this world, the is no world that is ganna end on 2012. If that day comes no one will ever know stop scaring us ijoo.

  23. I am a Christian who believes in the bible, where it states that only our Creator God knows when the end of this world will occur. So, sue me!
    And the oh-so-pretentious TiredofthisCrap should know that it is “your reply” and not “you’re reply” 🙂 🙂

  24. Hi,

    I wish you had a poll for “I don’t know” but I’ve been reading about this story for awhile and the Mayan calendar has been partnered with the building of the pyramids and possibly extra terrestial beings.A point of interest is that planet alignment has to play a role and some of the predictions and events have been quite astounding.It is a pity that there are so many restrictions to the opening up of the pyramids,especially the Sphynx which has profound possibilities for scientific enlightenment but since

  25. Hi,
    I did not finish my statement and am actually amazed at just how busy this site is.I was trying to say that since I am not a scientist I cannot commen with the depth I would like.However,this possible cataclysmic event is also supposed to be spiritually activated and I’m reluctant to be in denial.One amazing thing that has come out of this morass seems to be that South Africa,specifically the Highveld,seems to be about the safest place,after the event,in the world.So,haaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnggggg in there SA.
    ……and all that jazz

  26. Pinky,
    Well well,a comic,I like it,
    Tiredofthiscrap,you’re so sure of your facts,I hope you don’t land up frying.

    I personally think that the Earth has escaped destruction more by luck than anything else.That we have not been struck by Asteroids and other space ugglies must be a miracle…and just how long must luck las?.I read an article,commenting on the movie that proposed to blow up an asteroid that threatened Earth and it emphatically stated that that proposition is just complete and impossible fantasy and only this week,Russian astrologists and other fundi’s were saying that another outer body had just missed the Earth and they did not even know what it was……although minute.Comits and asteroids are a threat as orbits change but to lose sleep over them is pointless.We’ve got taxi’s more appropriately dangerous daily.
    The San Andreas Fault in San Fransisco has potential to collapse if the planet alignment and climate somehow get out of /or into sync,another thing to bite nails about ???Oh shit……and electricity is frightful hey???

  27. This is just ordinary people talking, some has a problem by thinking they know it all, yet behind their talks you can detect something that is being covered up. Each to their own opinion, only The Creator know’s when this will happen. Believer or non-believer.

  28. You go Archie!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  29. Who will know but God?

  30. How are the gravitational forces of those planets going destroy earth when gravitation ends a few kilometres above the earth and these planets are a little further away than that.

  31. No im not a Jehovas Witness. i dont believe that the world will come to an end. i believe in trinity(Father, His Son & the Holy Spirit).i also believe that the soul is immortal. The sinners their soul will come to an end

  32. The living God revealed Himself to a very few on this planet so that very few can believe. As for the rest, some think they believe but are just religious following some or the other recipe of some or the other so called prophet or holy man or some, mostly scientists and lairs, think that God is just an imagination of fools.
    Those who met God because He chose to reveal Himself to them, can’t stop talking about it and witness about it all the time. The liars, because they think everybody are like them, think that those who witness about God are liars too and don’t believe them.

    I can asure everybody that God really IS and that this planet will either see it’s last day before 21 Dec 2012 or after it…but surely NOT on that date and I state this because I happen to know God ( no longer just believe ) and there witness of Him that He can not and will not lie.
    He, who is God, said that no man man will know when this planet’s last day will be. Therefore, if any human, be it the maya or whoever else comes with some prediction on this matter, it WILL not take place on such predicted time! Bottom line.

  33. Tiredofthiscrap

    The punishment is not for believing or not believing as faith is the gift of God. No man can believe unless God makes/enable him/her to believe….he IS the Alimighty One who was and is and is to come.

    Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. 24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  34. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Dirkie

    So you have this god on speed dial? Are you sure it’s god, because this entity sounds more like a figment of your white supremacist mind. Let me guess, those who are going to heaven, are either all white or they’re Afrikaner?

    If that’s the case, then I want nothing to with your sham god. All I really want to add is that you should go easy on the glue-sniffing Siener van Rensburg nonsense, Dirkie.

  35. According to the bible Mathew 24, no one but God knows the hour and the day. earthquakes, poverty and all these bad things that are happening are only signs that the world is coming to an end.

  36. Ol' Pliny says:

    VP, this is not a bible class or a blog on religious beliefs.
    I merely need to correct your views.
    Perhaps Wonkie put us all on the wrong track by asking.
    “Will the ”World” End in 2012?”. Perhaps they meant the ”’Earth”’
    Wikipedia and the Bible agree on the term ”The World’
    Wiki: “A common name for the sum of human civilation living, specifically human experience, history, or the human condition in general. worldwide.”
    Bible: “…the world of those days was destroyed by the flood waters.” (2 Pet 3:6 Jerusalem Bible) Seeing Noah escaped so did the earth.

  37. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Chris,

    I certainly hope you’re right, and the supposed creator is the Christian god, otherwise you’re in just as much trouble as I am 😛 Quite frankly I do not care either way, since whether it exists or not, it makes no difference to me.

    Anyway, if something quacks like a duck, walks likes a duck, most likely it’s a duck, the simplest explanation is generally the correct one (Occam’s razor), and given the fact that there exist no evidence that god guides or takes an active role in our lives (or even acknowledge our existence), most likely we can assume that he/she/it probably does not exist (of course religious folk will tell you otherwise, and probably tell you that they “speak to him”, if he speaks back however, you should probably book yourself into an insane asylum).

    Having said that, there really doesn’t exist a proof for either god’s existence nor his non-existence (much like Santa Clause, fairies, gnomes etc.). Intuitively we know Santa does not exist, but we’re unable to prove that he does or does not. God is very much like Santa in this respect.

    But…, if you’re trying to prove to me that god exists, then you’re clearly missing the point “… about having faith”. 😛

  38. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Dear Lord! Are there so few sane voices out there????? Thank you, T.O.T.C. (Tiredofthiscrap..) for your intelligent and grounded comments. As for the majority of the rest of you……??????? I don’t think God/Jehovah/Allah/Whatever, actually GIVES a crap! (That’s assuming one accepts their existance in the first place, and there’s pretty little proof of that, despite dirkie’s hotline to heaven!) Eish! What’s the matter with you people? This was simply an interesting question, how did it become a debate about God versus the Mayans?

  39. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Oh, and just so by the way, I think (actually, I really HOPE), Pinky is the only one anywhere near the truth! He sounds as if he honestly knows what he is talking about.

  40. Tiredofthiscrap

    No, I do not have Him on speed dial but WITHIN and that’s why I am too much for you for it is not the wisdom of a man you have against you!

    I never said any of the things you mention…and siener was no prophet like some religious groups would like to believe nor was Mohamed

    The prophets of God ALWAYS rather call people back to God rather than predict the future and Mohamed call people to become religious rather than encouraging them to HAVE their minds renewed by God!

    The first verse of the quoted scriptures clearly state ” to every one that believe …”Romans 1:16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
    17For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.”

  41. Ol’ Pliny

    You are very right, but I did not rock that “world” en “earth” boat simply because I am convinced by the Spirit that wonkie’s team (may be quaran ) are not actually Bible readers…but let it be clear that seeing faith is the gift of God ( Eph.2:8 ) I do not condem those who do not read the Bible for not reading it.

    To read the Bible without the guidence of God’s Spirit could be dangerous as no man can really understand the Word of God using his own understanding! Theologians have no idea who God is and are just part “of this world” most of the time!

  42. Hastheworldgonecrazy…

    Let me answer the question of your handle..yes, the world IS crazy…thank God that since 16/12/1984 I am no longer part of this world, but just passing by!

  43. Ol' Pliny says:

    Repeat: No Bible study here – merely correction of misguided views.
    Dirk, you say prophets rather call people back to God rather than predict the future. Please read Deut 18:5 then compare Luke 7:16 Jesus was that prophet.

    Besides calling people back to God, he predicted the end of the ‘World’ (Math 24:3-)
    Comments are going off track again. Perhaps its time for a new cartoon.

  44. Louis du Plessis,

    We are not GOING to be hit by your interstellar bullshit bomb, we ARE BEING hit by it right now!

  45. Ol’ Pliny,

    Jesus was not a prophet, He IS God..! Yet He did not come here to to exercise the “office” of God, but came to reveal/declare Him!

    John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  46. I guess old pliney got it right there. Just checked with the reseachers and got the correct definition for “world”. The earth, in this instance, is the planet physically sustained by the ecology, designed to cause the earth to be productive and beneficial for creatures inhabiting it. The world of humankind, however, have sought to ruin the earth’s ecology, thereby bringing upon themselves accountability, so just as in Noah’s day, they will have to be taken out, so that survivors, just as in Noah’s day, can benefit from a cleansed earth. And by the way Mr. Tiredofthiscrap, take the time to read 2 Thessalonians 1:6-9 and visualize the fate of those of your like and whether you fit the bill. Does anybody out there really presume that it took an Almighty Creator to create the universe that such puny creatures as us can dictate to him whether to keep the planet earth in orbit or not. Not to do so would be a defeat on the part of the Creator. Have respect for the Dignity of the one who gives life, he will certainly not allow this earth to pass out of existance!!

  47. OLD FASHION says:

    The day, month and year is not known to any man, but the generation according to LUKE 21 is cleary written. The current generation born since 2000 will certainly live until the LORD returns in glory

  48. Ol' Pliny says:

    Sigh….
    Dirkie, whether Jesus is God, or whether no man has seen him is once more off topic.
    My comments were merely correct your views as is now again the case.

    If Jesus was not a prophet and Jesus is God, then you are really contradicting yourself which leaves you without argument.
    God was indeed a prophet from the beginning, IE: Gen 3:15; Deut 28:45-53
    As for me, I am quitting this blog. Thanks and Cheers to all who offered good or humourous comments.

  49. As editor of 2012prophecy.net, I think the world just may end on this date as predicted.

    don
    2012prophecy.net

  50. TiredofthisCrap says:

    Back on topic:

    There really isn’t any reason for the world to end on 2012. The Mayan calender merely comes to the end of its run, and I’m pretty sure if they were still around they would have naturally extended it. It’s sad that very few people realize how mathematically and astronomically advanced the Mayan had to have been. It’s absolutely amazing if you ask me.

    Back off topic: This is strictly my own opinion, but from the perspective of the rest of the non-christian world, if you’re quoting from the big book, or your sects religious papers, or even words from your Pastor, or even Dirkie’s symbiotic white supremacist god (awkward), you might as well be taking part in the special Olympics. It’s very nice, and we’ll support your participation, but quite frankly, it holds very little value to us. You might as well be reading from Dr Seus. Please remember that.

    @Dirkie

    Sigh! Why do I even bother? So what happened 16/12/1984? Did you become a member of the undead? Or is this the day you started taking your pills?

  51. Though we don’t know when the world will end but we all have to prepare for facing our ALLAH.

  52. Ol’ Pliny

    Not one of the two scriptures you refer to have anything to do with God being a prophet – both show clearly that He is in fact God and that His Word is always true and nobody can change it – hopefully people like Tiredofthiscrap will take note and see that the Bible is in deed the true Word of God and that scientists and mayans know less than nothing!

  53. TiredofthisCrap

    Wrong again..since then I no longer needed any of this world’s pills…you on the other hand, should try some ecstacy to get yourself lifted up out of that “low” you find yourself in….maybe some nigerian can help. :). As for me, since 16/12/84 I know Jesus and are no longer part of this world but “from above”

    John 3:31He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all. 32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.

    Eph. 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) 6And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  54. I am joining this debate a bit late, but just feel that I need to have my say in this matter. “Whether the world ends or not, I hope to be around when it happens!!!! It should be an experience of a life time” Apocalyptic Proportions?????????????

  55. Don
    Does this mean that you will close your website on 22/12/2012?

  56. Don
    Does this mean that you will close your website on 22/12/2012?

  57. No way the world is going to end in 2012. That is left for God to decide.

  58. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Dirkie

    And that’s what I find interesting, you’re a self-confessed white supremacist, who have posted some of the most spiteful and disgusting comments about black Africans, yet you portray yourself as a Christian,. What brand of Christianity are you a follower of? Is that the one that seemingly ignores that Jesus was forgiving and altruistic?

    Is your Jesus wearing khaki, with blond highlights in his hair?

  59. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Dirkie

    And yet I can’t shake the feeling that you’re not really a christian, but merely a follower of a modified version of Christian Identity. In South Africa, it’s generally associated with Siener van Rensburg and his claim that the Afrikaner (Boers) were the true Israelites, and therefore God’s chosen.

    This would make sense since you’re also convinced that the Afrikaner is the most superior racial group in South Africa.

    Incidentally, this sort of reasoning is by no means new (and actually predates old man van Rensburg and his glue), since Christian Identity is generally associated with American and British white supremacist groups who teach a racialized version of Christianity, basically they believe that whites are the only ones with souls, but more importantly that Aryans (and not southern or eastern Europeans) are the true Israelites.

  60. RTon Payne says:

    Luk 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
    Luk 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
    Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
    Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

  61. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Sigh! Pity the world isn’t going to end next week! With people like dirk and co around, any sort of future looks pretty bleak! But sadly, Tiredofthiscrap is right, the date is merely the end of a cycle of the Maya people, not any sort of prediction of the end of the world!

  62. If we are talking about the world that God created, no one can ever predict when it will end. It can end toady, tomorrow or years to come. Only the creator knows and has control.

  63. Tiredofthiscrap

    Christians are not called to be the sugar pot…we are the SALT pots and when you rub salt into an open wound it burns because it also disinfect!

    The things I have to say about the behaviour of black south africans are true..( I wish that it was not the case ) and I have to stick to the truth. If I was like a sugar pot ( that’s what I don’t like about the english as you guys believe to pretend to be nice all the time – like the other day with Gristy who first made the bad remark on me that forced me to react ) all the time, my words will have no healing effect! Sugar tend to encourage infection!

    In the sight of God, everybody have the same opportunity to have their minds renewed by Him (even you english sugar pots!).

    Rom. 12: 2And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

    Heb. 8: 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    It boils down to the fact that God is the One Who bring about the change in the way His people think.

    Those who believe “Israel” is a certain nation are earthly/carnal and do not take nto acount the meaning of the word “Israel”. ( Israel=prince of God and also means “reingning with God” )
    Anybody, black or white, important or not important become “Israel” the day such a person repent to0 God and ask Him to bring about the renewal of the mind! That is the good news, man need not do anything out of his own strength but should depend on the power of God to bring about the changes exceptable to Him. In other words, God should be the One who MAKES me holy…as long as I im trying to do it myself, I KILL/Crusify HIM!

    I am not perfect yet, as He is still in the process of renewing my mind…making me holy from day to day! Therfore if any man should boast, he should boast in God!

    Eph. 2: 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
    9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
    10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    This is so logic! Yet only few “see” this and enter into this narrow way!

    It was God who ordained wonkie to open this thread so this discussion can take place – glory to God who was and IS and IS to come on the LAST day upon wich He will decide and only He will know the time..no mayan or prophet or layman will know when that is going to be!

  64. jakes,

    You WILL be around….everybody that was ever born will be around on that last day for every eye shall see Him and uevery tonge shall confess that He is GOD!

    Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

    Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

    Phil. 2:10 That at the Name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  65. I am realy sorry – i did not this was a Bible class. As for the end of the world, to hell with it.

  66. there is no such a thing is being along time they have been fooling us around END OF THE WORLD IS WITHIN OURSELVES WHEN WE DIE

  67. erraheim

    Looks like you do believe that there is a hell..there are many other things the Bible teach and trust me, you can believe ALL of it!

  68. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Dirkie

    As I’ve said before, for non-Christians around the world you may as well have read from the Dr Seuss, although I’m glad you find something out of the bible.

    However, I will say, in all my 64 years on this Earth, that had to have been the most retarded (my grandson will be glad I used this word in this context) post I’ve ever read. Basically, you’re just mumbling and quoting material from the bible, well I’m not impressed nor am I convinced. I asked you simple questions regarding your faith, and how that relates to your white supremacist views. If you are a man of god, why are you a racist? Is your god a racist god?

    You’ve given me nothing of substance.

  69. Nomsa Ncube says:

    NO ONE knows when the world is going to END on the face of the earth. Only God knows when, how & what time it will END. So DON’T let ANY one instill fear in your heart; Trust the WORD of God and LEAN on it.

  70. Leonecole says:

    PM, please somehow restrict the obviously mad Dirk’s posts. Not that I think you should ban him altogether, but he’s very long-winded, repetetive and boring. Look, PM, do we ALWAYS have to go back to the bible or the koran or whatever, including the Mayas? Why bring up the Mayas at all? Where are the Mayas today but in hovels and shacks, living in poverty from day to day? So what “knowledge” did they have that it couldn’t save even themselves? Personally I stop reading a post as soon as I find the word “god” in it.

  71. No ways!
    The world will implode into a black hole in June, this year, when our soccer team sits in the stadium and gets its first lesson in football.

  72. Tiredofthiscrap

    Poor old man – wow! you beat me with six years, should I call you “uncle”? – the fact that you find yourself on a planet with various creatures and races should have anwered your stypid provoking questions – clearly you are too retarded to read the facts around you!

  73. Tiredofthiscrap

    Talking about substance, hope you have the brain cell to comprehend..let my God speak for Himslef!

    Jos. 23: And ye have seen all that the LORD your God hath done unto all these nations because of you; for the LORD your God is he that hath fought for you.
    4 Behold, I have divided unto you by lot these nations that remain, to be an inheritance for your tribes, from Jordan, with all the nations that I have cut off, even unto the great sea westward.
    5 And the LORD your God, he shall expel them from before you, and drive them from out of your sight; and ye shall possess their land, as the LORD your God hath promised unto you.
    6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
    ( Now ve5rse 7 was corrupted by coward brittish so I used the new american standard Bible for verse 7 )

    7 in order that you may not associate with these nations, these wich remain among you; or mention the name of their gods, or make anyone swear by them, or serve them, or bow down to them.

    ( back to the corrupted brittish version )

    8 But cleave unto the LORD your God, as ye have done unto this day.
    9 For the LORD hath driven out from before you great nations and strong: but as for you, no man hath been able to stand before you unto this day.
    10 One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you.
    11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.
    12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:
    13 Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
    14 And, behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the LORD your God spake concerning you; all are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof.

    ( now understand why this cursed new south africa of mandela, the english idiots and de klerk is the way it is!)

    15 Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the LORD your God promised you; so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
    16 When ye have transgressed the covenant of the LORD your God, which he commanded you, and have gone and served other gods, and bowed yourselves to them; then shall the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and ye shall perish quickly from off the good land which he hath given unto you.

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    Hope you have the mentality to figure it out..

  74. don

    Nobody ever could prove God to be a liar…you won’t be either but the curse will follow you for just trying to do so

  75. only the mighty God know what is going to today,tomorrow because he is the one who knows everything and he is the one also create the world.

  76. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    @Dirkie

    The only thing of worth from your post is that you’re able to use the copy and paste function in your browser. Even from a theological perspective, there’s no interpretation, nor understanding. It’s more like you’re a parrot regurgitating material, the very essence of a biblical literalist.

  77. Tiredofthiscrap,

    You are nou talking about things you have no understanding of. The things of the spirit are way above your understanding and you should rather stick to the carnal and earthly things of wich you sometimes have a little understanding….

    1 Cor. 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
    15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
    16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    Even when it comes to computers, you should rather not talk as you don’t have the slightest idea of who I am – do you at least have a website? Can you construct one that rank well on google? Can you put a website on the first page of Google’s results out of about 75 million others? Well I can and here is the proof:

    http://www.google.co.za/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4IRFC_enZA362ZA362&q=domain+name+registrations

    You will find http://www.oppiweb.com within the first ten out of about 75 million others for “domain name registrations”…if you can do better, you can run me down, if not, i sugest you are just, like an englisman, making a fool of yourself!

  78. Tiredofthiscrap

    Are you a theologian all of a sudden? Well sorry to say, theologians understand nothing most the time..I said that before. I have bot found a theologian who could teach me anything at all..they don’t even know their subject! What a pathetic bunch – Jesus called snakes! I do too 🙂

  79. Yikes gentlemen! Enough of the Bible quotations and personal attacks on each other already.

    @Dirk, @Tiredofthiscrap – think you’ve both made your points very clear.. no need to add more on this post!

    @Leonecole, @Ol’ Pliny – this was as far from being a post to stimulate religious debate but in retrospect it should not have been unexpected.

  80. Ol' Pliny says:

    PM, To dicuss a matter, one must consider all. Philosophers, Bible, (punchers too) Scientists, facts, theories, (well, OK legends too) cultures, fables, (Aesop’s especially) etc…
    Occasional wit and humour is essential to avoid the droll. Once it boils down to two or three with boring off topic attacks, it’s time to quit – I did, but kept reading – Why?
    Well, as some humanist once said: “Son, wise you will be learning from the wise, much wiser tho’ hearing and learning from fools.”

  81. OLD FASHION says:

    You can all debate as much as you like. But can you teach the blind to see paintings, the deaf to hear music compositions, dumb mute to sing like a nightingale?

  82. OLD FASHION says:

    Just a note : always remember that actions speaks louder then words.

  83. Heaven and hell is like the International date line.You could find in 2012, after the world has ended,that people on the otherside of the line will still be alive as it will only be the day before.In sort,all invented by man to keep it simple.

  84. Tiredofthiscrap says:

    I’m amazed no one has mentioned that awful movie 2012. John Cusack’s character annoyed the biscuits out of me, and half way through (especially after he outran a pyroclastic flow), I just wanted him off the screen.

    The movie would have been far more enjoyable, had they focussed on less generic characters and less miraculous escapes. I know it’s supposed to be a brain-dead popcorn movie, but they really missed the boat on this one.

  85. No such luck.

  86. the world is not in any way going to end in 2010, we might ononly enter into a new period.

  87. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    There were these 2 cows sitting in a tree knitting, when a horse flew past. “That’s strange,” said the 1st cow. A few minutes later, another horse flew past. “You’re right”, said the 2nd cow, It is strange!” Some while later, a 3rd horse flew past. “Aha!” said the 1st cow. “They must be nesting!”
    This joke is as relevant to the original question as the comments made by dirk and his army of god-botherers! Cut it out, already! You’re not going to convert or convince anyone, in fact, you’re annoying the crap out of most of us! (Think I’ll attend a Black Mass at our local Satanist Church this weekend, just to get another take on things, and start the whole discussion up again!) Sigh! But then we’ll NEVER get rid of you, will we? Think I’ll just sit here and put a disappearing hex on you…………You still here?

  88. It’s such a pity, a fun and interesting topic has been derailed by individuals with a religious agenda. We could have poked holes into fun theories regarding our demise (be it meteorites, super volcanoes, cosmic rays, genetic mutations or even the rise of the superbug (mass hysteria in the media?)).

  89. Hastheworldgonecrazy…

    Neither will you convert anybody to satanism..you don’t need to as 98% of the population are there without realizing it anyway – only one thing about the masses, they are more FREE than what you are as they don’t have to attend any “black masses”! Can’t you find something better to do with your time, fool?

  90. Toadboy

    One thing I am not…that is religious! Truth/fact is not religion, but happen to be something you ONLY find in the Word of God and this toppic calls for truth and fact while at the same time, like you say, can be a fun topic as well…why is it that truth and fact are not being experienced as fun? :-O

  91. Hastheworldgonecrazy says:

    To Everybody who ISN’T Dirk. Please ignore Dirk. Do not comment on anything he writes. Maybe he’ll go away if he’s not getting the attention he so obviously craves, and maybe if we all pretend really, really hard that he’s gone away , he’ll disappear in a cloud of bible pages! What a complete and utter pillock you are, Dirk!

  92. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hi has the worldgone…
    Please take advice from someone who’s also been there and done that when it comes to
    blasting people. About 35 years ago when S.A. only had Beltel and BBS systems ,
    I too used such strong language on those who just argue non-stop.

    Believe me, you feel nothing now, but the more you do that the more it hurts later.
    I would give anything to go back in time to retract things I said – even though everyone
    concerned is either dead or has forgotten. Like a murder, you can apologise,
    but, cannot undo all those harsh words.

    Blasting people only creates enemies of those you don’t even know.
    Let them be. The discussion on the end of the world is now as dead as that of the
    once flat earth debate, and most of those who commented here, only read them.
    Sit back and enjoy thr show – It’s free.

  93. Hastheworldgonecrazy

    You reaveal youself as an utter idiot..I’ts fast becomming clear you are the craziest of all….why don’t you rather come with something else (to exspect somehing intelligent from you would be unfair) here and go shout at somebody in front of you…but like stanists are, they are cowards and and on top of it cursed!

  94. To Dirk,
    Please do not allude to yourself as a Christian. You are too full of venom and arrogance. You are so bitter and twisted and Christians are supposed to show love even (especially) to their enemies. Not all who say ‘Lord, Lord’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
    This old world is going to go out in a fire ball one of these days. Read 2 Peter ch. 3. There is bad news and good news, so Boetie, my advice to you is ‘draai of braai’

  95. Tanni

    Jesus called the scribes “snakes” because that is what they are and they hated Him so much for that, that they eventually killed Him! YOU ARE THE SAME as they are! You want your ears be tickled…but I WILL NOT DO SO!

    When I was a child I could not understand how my father could call it “LOVE” when giving me a hiding..looks like you have the same problem!

    Fac t is that africa is corrupt, useless and lazy and crimminal and telling them the truth about themselves is in FACT love. You englishspeakers are false, pretend that you care while if one look deep into your slyness, it become clear that YOU are the enemy!

    I refuse to become the “soothsayer” you and satan, the god of this world, want me to be!

    My advise to you, sussie, is to “draai or braai”!

  96. I DONT BELIEVE THAT,EVEN BY THE YEAR 2000 THERE WERE SOME SAME PREDICTION LIKETHAT.ONGLY GOD KNOWS CAUSE HE IS THE ONGLY CREATER NOT SOME PROPHETS OR PREDIT………

  97. Ol' Pliny says:

    Victor,
    You are possibly new to blog discussions, otherwise you would have known
    that messages in capitals (Upper case lettters) are seen as strong assertations,
    shouting or bigotry. No experienced person will condemn spelling mistakes
    as we cannot know the person’s nationality, language roots, or education.
    Furthermore, you should take time to read all the comments expressed in this
    blog before offering an opinion. By now we all know, as the hackneyed phrase
    goes: “Only God knows.”
    Perhaps you may learn something by the following:
    Use an editor, IE: MS Word to prepare your message.
    Use the spell check facility.
    Put it aside for an hour or so to reflect on what you wish to say.
    You may wish to ask someone to read it – Edit it, if necessary.
    When ready, copy the text and paste it into the comment box.

  98. miss chrome says:

    this world aint ending till im atleast somebodys mother. i mean really now people, who gives a damn that the mayan calender end in 2012?

  99. looking at the fools in power today, the sooner the last day comes, the better!

  100. umm yes i do thank it is.. the calinder was rong 2 times but people dont worry now that it was rong but what if it isent rong this time.. i mean like a meany eirth quakes have akered it might be a singh.. i just might be 12 but i thank im right but people need to start payin a techen or are world will die.. thank about it?!!?

  101. OLD FASHION says:

    Sure the end is near according to the signs in Luke 21, and the WORD is clear when this happens , the generation born in that period will be alive wheb the LORD JESUS returns, Read Luke 21, vers 31 to 36. but the day, week , month or year nobody knows. (The lifetime of a generation is the average age of 70 according to the Bible.

  102. OLD FASHION says:

    The world could end any time, no one knows the day, week , month or year but the Bible is clear about that the generation born in all the signs will be alive when JESUS returns. Read Luke 21: Vers 31 to 36.
    The Bible quotes that the average life span of man is 70 years when they strong and over 70 is extremely strong and blessed

  103. Jesus said no one knows the day and time even him self(jesus) he dont know but god him self he does knows. Before we enter to the new Millennium 2000 people go and say the same that is the end. 4get no one knows about the day and time

  104. Luke 16:16-18

    [16] “The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John. Since that time, the good news of the kingdom of God is being preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it.

    According to that statement 2me sound as if ther is no true prophets after john so that 21 december 2012 prophets dont exit.

  105. they have been saying for years and years and years the world is going to end but it never ever does

  106. What does the end of the world really mean: It means that man and evil will no longer be in control but JESUS himself will return and rule eternally. He recreate a new world, destroy all evil and be the only ruler of the universe HE created. Unfortunately GOD gave man freedom of choice and we can not seem to do the right choices. Racism is an insult to the creator , HE created us according to HIS plans and we have to accept each other. Those who have no relationship with JESUS can not and never will understand the secrets of the universe, We do not condemn unbelievers only JESUS is the judge for that but we abstain from evil and that which the scriptures warns us against without using violence, verbal abuse or any other form of insult.

  107. PEACE
    you should first go read a Bible and then talk about it! There is not one scripture indicating that God gave man freedom of choice! That is a lie from hell!

    Again, first read you Bible before refering to it…..Jesus is not going to be the judge…

    John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
    16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.

    1 Cor. 6:2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?
    4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. ( if this verse is not true in your so-called church, it’s not the church but the synagoge of satan!)

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    Yes, I agree with you that He created us all according to His plan…white and black created He man and told man, not to hate one another for what they are ( therefore, creating one yellow-grey concoction af a race/man destroying the variety God created IS NOT LOVE BUT rather looks like HATE to me!)

    You say that racism is an insult to God (maybe rape, murder, corruption, theft, ancestor-worship, canibalism etc. are bigger insults to God!) …then how do you explain Josua 23:6 Be ye therefore very courageous to keep and to do all that is written in the book of the law of Moses, that ye turn not aside therefrom to the right hand or to the left;
    7 That ye come not among these nations, these that remain among you; neither make mention of the name of their gods, nor cause to swear by them, neither serve them, nor bow yourselves unto them:
    8 But cleave unto the LORD your God, as ye have done unto this day.
    9 For the LORD hath driven out from before you great nations and strong: but as for you, no man hath been able to stand before you unto this day. 10 One man of you shall chase a thousand: for the LORD your God, he it is that fighteth for you, as he hath promised you.
    11 Take good heed therefore unto yourselves, that ye love the LORD your God.

    (And from verse 12 onwards makes it clear that God ALWAYS makes His Word come true as this is what we have today in this cursed “new south africa” of that de klerk satan….)

    12 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you:
    13 Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  108. Ol' Pliny says:

    DIrkie, I’m not a De Klerk supporter nor his party nor any other. None meet my criteria. But, give that leader and his authority their due tribute. (Titus 3:1)

    He probably saved hundreds of lives. By now a fresh breed of Magoo bombers
    with no respect for human life would have murdered hundreds of Whites, and Winnie with
    her bricks, tyres and matches would have necklaced hundreds of Blacks – all in the process of liberating them to what is presently oppressing you, me and many others.

    One more thing: The Bible is indeed the perfect book to quote from in order to instill good morals and principles in people, and draw them nearer to God.

    Even Mohandas Gandhi said so. But, be careful not to quote from it to fan the flames of racism and drive people away from reading the Bible. Where will they go?

    I agree with many things you say, but I wince when I consider that your fiery
    style of preaching may indicate to others that God is only on the side of Whites.
    Paul ‘Reasoned’ from the scriptures. (Acts 17:2) He never forced his views on anyone. To ‘reason’ means to quote and discuss in order to find a common ground.
    We cannot do that here in these blogs, especially when off topic.

    Lastly, I see no evil in what PEACE wrote. God did give man a choice in Eden.
    Moses did the same when he said, “Today I’m giving you a choice between good andevil and between life and death.” Deut 31:15-19

  109. Anything is possible but what informs us of these predictions. Which scrolls depict 2012 as the end of the world. Billion years ago there has been these threats by the so called prophets what happened they perished and the world remained. I think we should redirect our thinking on things constructive for the betterment of our lives.

  110. Dear Dirk, please pray and ask JESUS to rebuke and deliver you from all the hate in your heart, I am telling you this not to insult but to help you find inner healing from JESUS. I have a personal relationship with JESUS for many years now and have had very tough times by the enemy who has and still tries to take my life, but I praise JESUS for the victory in HIM who sent me back from death 40 years ago and I still pray for all my and our countrie’s enemies. The LORD is righteous and has HIS own time in dealing with these worldy issues. Your instruction to me about reading the Bible, I read the Bible prayerfully and much has been revealed to me therefor my only trust is in JESUS who has prooved HIS WORD 100% accurate. If JESUS tells us to repent; it is a choice. By the way the Bible Quotes: Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of GOD.
    I pray that you will receive peace in your heart by the works of the HOLY SPIRIT and bear in mind that GOD does not want people to perish in hell but wants them to accept JESUS and to have eternal life.
    May GOD bless you all

  111. There will be an end to everyone’s life, no man has escaped death it is as certain as your birth .
    Also the end is near but no-one knows the day. week, month or year. The Word does tell us in LUK 21v 32 that the generation living in the time of the signs of: earthquakes, floods, epidemics, wars, falling asteroids etc. and the fullness of all. It takes half a minute to speak to someone by video on the other end of the earth. All the space events . Over population worldwide and not much land left to cultivate for food is a very serious problem for man and that is why the LORD will return and end all evil.

  112. Hastheworldgonecrazy says:

    Yes! The world HAS gone crazy! Or is it just Dirk and the godbotherers? What the hell????????? Are you guys NUTS? Poor Wonkie! Bet you wish you’d never asked this one!

  113. The Shift in 2012 calls for readiness and caution. Though some have claimed a magnetic field displacement, disasters or catastrophical events, the truth is that the only conflict will arise because of Human decisions. Natural disasters will be made worse by human interaction with its surroundings; institutions of Power will refuse to let go, trying to protect their own dominant positions. In fact, it has already started. But the original message is one of Hope, not of Despair. Each individual soul has in it everything needed to create and build. The Shift is personal and exclusive to each Soul. The responsibility is personal and there are no more excuses. You are Master of your Own Destiny.

  114. Ol' Pliny says:

    Juan, it’s fine to wax lyrically about earthly phenomena, for instance in the way that I wrote about the effects of oil reserves depletion on earthquakes. However, since my decision to read the Bible many years ago, I have been fascinated by it’s accuracy in scientific terms. For instance, God spoke to Job concerning his ignorance of universal matters: The sea that never exceeds it’s barriers, the spherical earth, the ice caps which no one at that time had yet seen, etc. (Job 38:8-11,22)
    Even Scientists are amazed how accurately the Genesis account renders the sequence of how life originated here. Have you not wondered why it is that the rotational speed of the earth has never changed for many thousands of years.
    Anyone with a little reasoning can easily see why the seas never rise any higher. Rivers bring down tons of silt, but the sea counters this in two ways: a) It tosses up seashells, seaweeds, rocks and sand. b) Consider the many deep trenches in the oceans. When the weight of the water and it’s content exceeds a certain weight, it could be that the sinking ocean, being nearer the mantle, pushes downward, which in turn forces the earth upwards.
    These things appear to prove that the earth is very stable and is unlikely to see any great geographical changes in the very far future. IOW, I feel completely at ease in this sense.

  115. PEACE
    I agree with what you say, but not that i am full of hate. You forget that the Bible also say that he who do not give his son a hiding hates his son. The things I mention are fact and has nothing to do with hate, except hate of corruption and lawlessness. If you follow your Father ( Eph. 5:1 ) like a son copy his father, should you then not also hate the things that He hates?
    ( you kinda talk like some charismatic type )

  116. this is another hallucination of scientist(s),bcoz they just want to twist pple’s minds,there is no such thing,if there was, every1 shud hv perished in 2000. so they shud just go to hell, these confused adeist/agnostics. quotining the scripture as if they really understand it. the END is not yet,no one knows the END of the WORLD except the CREATOR,THE ALMIGHTY GOD HIMSELF.

  117. if you have watched the Kyknet program you will be convinced that this is a disastress moment were’re waiting for – according to the predictions of Nostradamas and Siener van Rensburg as well as the Mayas we are certainly in for big trouble

  118. The important date for S.A. is 3 September 2010, not the end neither the return of the LORD yet, but a day that is going to be the biggest event in all African history. IT will be a true HOLY-DAY. Nothing to be afraid of but plenty of praise and glory to GOD who is about to heal our country. JESUS proclaimed this thousands of years ago and we are now in 2010 since the day the LORD ascended into Heaven . GOD IS THE GOD of times.

  119. PEACE,

    I don’t understand where people read all these things in the Bible…maybe we do not have the same Bible…mine says that things will get worse the closer we get to the last day. To heal this country, millions of heathen need to repent and become Christians….and the Bible say people will wander away from God in the last day..so i don’t see that happening as I believe the Word rather than soothsayers like oom Angus and others who think it’s so fasionable to say all kinds of “positive” bull contrary to the Word.

    Now if the heathen won’t repent, wich is more in line with scripture, then we need a bloodbath between now and the date you mentioned..heathen against heathen until there is almost none of them left to get this country healed … I kind of look forward to that…peace and safety for a change would be nice for sure..BUT then scripture says….

    1 Thess 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
    4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    Again I say unto you…you sing the song of the charismatics..they specialize in tickling ears as it harvest money! 😉

  120. The Bible is the Word of God, and the Bible speaks about the Love and Grace of God and about HIS wrath on those who do not worship and love HIM and serve idols. The Grace and Love and mercy of GOD is beyond any human understanding as man wants revenge but GOD wants man to repent and serve HIM and to be forgiving as the LORD forgives us our trespasses. There are many who knows the Bible and wants GOD’s wrath upon those they do not like (Like Peter in Getsemane slicing the enemies ear off, but JESUS healed it and Jesus repremanded Peter).
    A heart of hate can never proclaim peace as satan is the author of hate and JESUS the LORD of peace.

  121. A note to Dirk. I am a retired person, with no pension and have a part time position of 4 hours a week income only and I am still a GO GIVER and not a taker. Amazing how the LORDS maintenance keeps me without taking from any human except the small part time job I have. Makes me just so much more grateful and therefor I have an attitude of gratitude, Be careful to judge people it is not given unto man only JESUS has been appointed judge and that will happen on judgement day.

  122. PEACE

    The jugemental ane is you as you just judged me to be hatefull… well I am not…but like I pointed out to you before, quoting EP 5:1 we as children of should follow in His footsteps hating evil conduct.

    Yes, I am also only living on a part time salary and gratefull for that. Fact is, we should stick to Bible truths! And the Bible teach that in the last days things will get worse – show me one scripture telling us to always sound “positive” ..(positeve and negative are not Bible words…the Bible use words like “life” or “death” and words like “light” and “darkness” etc. Reason is that positive and negative are in the eye of the beholder…what is positive to you, may b negative to me – ever thought of that? With Bible words there is no misunderstanding and it does not depend on the eye of the beholder.

    Then, PEACE, about the judgement…have a look at this:

    Luke 11:31The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here. 32The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.

    and

    1 Cor 6:2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 4If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

    I know that sometimes my word slice the ears off of those who do not like the truth…but I am not to worry about that too much as I know that Jesus will put that ear back if He wants that person to hear! 😉

  123. Yes Dirk you are quite right but only on the DAY OF JUDGEMENT the saints will judge. Evil is evil and all rightous hates evil but as JESUS says Love conquers and we are still living in the period of the GRACE of GOD this period will bypass the day JESUS returns. In these days the LORD still commands us to love our enemies do good to those who persecute you, Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called children of GOD.

  124. PEACE

    There wont’ be peace without getting rid of the crap causing war! O yes, the things you say are true…but be balanced!…But never had a good look at the last scripture I mentioned..pay attention to verses 3 and 4 far below.

    1 Cor 6:2Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

    3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? How much more things that pertain to this life?

    4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

  125. Ol' Pliny says:

    I reckon Dirkie still has the upper hand regarding the cure to the world’s problems.
    Either Wonkie picked a poor subject on the British chaos or the are testing response.
    If the first world’s systems are regarded as gutter politics, where will third worlds fit
    in. Democracy may well consider the rights of all people, but at the same time, its
    done more to alienate people than any other form of government ever concocted. Please allow
    me to re-iterate: Very few leaders have any real interest in governing people. They are after the
    glory that goes with the position – not forgetting the fat salaries and privileges.

    Shilowa and Lekota, by their fights for leadership prove that what happened to the North of us is already on its way here. There were too many despots to name, but take Idi Amin, self proclaimed king of Scotland, bedecked with useless medals and ribbons. Seems that people
    have already forgotten the words of Joshua Nkomo who lost the race for presidency: “Robert,
    you are still young. Just let me be president for a few years.”

    There must surely be a reason why have there been so many natural disasters. The latest being
    the effects of volcanic ash. Surely the God of love cannot be pleased with the situation in this
    world. The fact that people are referring to the year 2012 as the ‘end of the world’ seems to indicate that most have a gut feeling that the world cannot last much longer.

    Here are a few extracts from the book of Revelation 7:1 “After these things I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth holding the four winds of the earth, so that the wind
    Should not blow on the earth, the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel .. and he cried,
    Do not harm the earth, the sea or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God in their
    foreheads.” If one reads how Jeremiah 25:32,33 ties up with this, then it will appear that the
    four winds of destruction are imminent. Don’t be too concerned about Dirkie’s dogmatism.
    Take note of what he is trying to tell us. People who put more faith in men to solve the problems of the world will soon share their fate. (Rev 19:17-19)

    .

  126. Ol’ Pliny

    Note that I quoted scripture..therefore you cannot call scripture dogmatism while calling yourself part of the family of God the same time..

    Those servants who are sealed on their foreheads no longer think the way this world does and no longer refer to scripture as dogmatism..a friend of this world is an enemy of God..

  127. Ol' Pliny says:

    Dirkie, dogmatism is described in most references as “an arrogant declaration of one’s
    opinion in a depreciating manner.” Of course, true Christianity is man’s only hope in
    the eyes of God, but!! You don’t seem to understand that you should not try to force
    your opinion onto others. Everyone owns their own lives. Even Jesus said: “I lay down
    my life…No one takes it from me, but I lay it down myself.” (John 10:17, 18) People are entitled to
    do with their lives in any manner that suits them, so long as it does not affect the lives of others. The
    Philistines were enemies of God, but he left them alone, and even made the Israelites pass through the
    desert to the promised land rather than take the shorter route along Philistine’s border. (Ex 13:17)

    You do not seem to understand the basic principles of the Bible. Even the most righteous person on
    this earth was born in sin and therefore under the sentence of death. (Rom 5:12) God will never force
    anyone to believe in him. Whether sinners or righteous, everyone who dies no longer has any sins.
    (Rom 6:7) Any chances of a future resurrection depends on whether they are eligible in God’s eyes.

    So, why insist on lambasting people already on their way to everlasting destruction? It’s not any
    different from going to people on the death row in prison to condemn them again and again.
    If it’s truly your intention to try and get people to share your beliefs, then you are ignoring the words
    of the apostle Paul. “Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through
    us: We implore you on Christ’s behalf, be reconciled to God.” (1 Cor 5:20)

  128. I can’t force anybody to swallow anything – specially not over the web!

    But if I know Whom I have learnt something from, I can’t say it any other way than the way it was shown to me, I have to say everything as i saw it..I can’t understand/see the scriptures by myself like John 5:19 same with me.

    You are now talking like the beat with the horns like the lamb but speak like the dragon..I say what God tells me to do and you go do whatever you like, I won’t listen to you trying to teach me to keep quiet ( 2 Titus 4:2 is my command – not you! ).

    Clearly you don’t God sayin God will nevert force anybody to believe in Him..what a joke – God is the giver of faith (Eph.2:8) – if you think it is up to you to believe, I have to inform you that you never believed even though you my think so..

  129. Ol' Pliny says:

    Drikie, won shood never writ letters on fryday nights.
    Or, whil watching cricjet/rugby on Tv.

    Being filled with the wrong spirit makes one revile others, bite like a serpent
    and will result in being kicked out of the kingdom.
    (Prov 20:1 and 23:32; 1Cor 6:10).

    Case dismissed due to 100% proof. (Please excuse the pun)
    You need a new lawyer pal.

  130. It may not be the end today but please lets have peace before it ends . Wonkie change your cartoon,

  131. Ol’ Pliny

    The Sabbath start fryday night with sundown and last until sundown on saterday evening.

    Secondly, I NEVER spill time with cricket or rugby as it is english speaker games and i don’t play it or watch it…nor do I drink wine – so you are therefore guilty of being a false witness and that may get you kicked out of the kingdom

    EX 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
    The King James Version, (Cambridge: Cambridge) 1769.

  132. the world wont end but increase of natural disasters will occur lotsa lives will be lost and many homeless

  133. You see the world cannot end in 2012 as the last seven years of history regarding Israel this will include the anti christ. (one world leader) He has not come yet and the rapture has not taken place yet. So to say it will end in 2012 in a vain thought. Now if the rapture takes place in 2012 then you will have 7 years to wait for the end. see!

  134. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Oh, Frank! I’m SO glad you started this one up again! Please do me 2 favours :-
    1) Show me where, in the bible, it talks about a “rapture”
    2) Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bible is god-inspired.

    If you can do both these successfully, I might just take another peek at that strange, thin-papered book!

  135. OLD FASHION says:

    Yehn Gastgeworldgonecrazy, answer to question no1 Thessalonians 5 vers 17 : Then we who are living at that time will be gathered up along with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

    Question no 2: I just love the fact that scientist with their big bang theory proofs the BIBLE is the Word of God: Genesis 1vers 9: Then God commanded, Let the water below the sky come together in one place, so that land will appear, and it was done!!! What a bang that must have been.
    Anymore questions? you are more then welcome to ask . GOD is so awsome words can not describe it as it almost borders on fantasy. May HE bless you and open your spiritual eyes to see , accept and acknowledge HIS greatness.

  136. You guys better beware of the ides of October. Some folks don’t know the meaning
    of the word ‘Faith’. They expect a God of their own design based on their desires.
    You will quickly learn that they have no intention of accepting anything you say.
    But wait, there’s more. They will eventually reject certain things on the basis that
    they cannot be proved in scientific terms.

    “Ye shall know them buy their fruits. People cannot gather grapes from a thorn bush, nor figs for the
    thistles… all the rotten trees bringing forth rotten fruit will be axed and tossed in the fire.” (Matt 7:16)

    Perhaps you could well give it a go. Some leopards do change their spots, and many Cushites
    as well. I’ve seen albinos in both. If you do, it could well be very interesting.

  137. OLD FASHION says:

    Ol” Pliny You are so right their is nobody so blind as the spiritual blind that can not except the LORD. Yet as mentioned before HE is GOD of all matters in Heaven and on earth and even time. 2010 years ago He ascending back to Heaven and time has been recorded according to HIS works. BC and AD.
    I will not argue with anybody as we all were given freedom of choice. For those who have chosen other gods or even themselves as their own god has the most pathetic powerless god. Everybody needs someone much stronger then oneself and their is only one and His name is JESUS. Horrific consequences are awaiting them which words can not describe the pity and concern I have for them. We are not allowed according to the Scriptures to judge anybody as JESUS alone was appointed judge by GOD.

  138. Old fashion, my spiritual conscience will not allow me to ignore
    “a cry in the wilderness.” You have a similar nature.
    It is our duty to help people whether they deserve it or not.

    I have given some people in these forums an honest reponse to their questions
    on a few occasions, but they never showed any respect for my time and trouble.
    Hence my warning well intended warning.

    Please read Heb 10:30, 31 and 2 Thes 1:6-9

  139. OLD FASHION says:

    I just feel compelled now to give a bit of testamony of what the LORD has done in my life. Please do yourself a big favour before you say that this is rubbish, shut that negative thought and just say: God our Heavenly Father, creator of all that exists please confirm this testamony and I guarantee HE WILL answer you.

    When I was 5 years old (now 68) I had a dream of the end times almost as if I was in reality and has never ever forgotten it. In 1972 I died ( my children where still under the age of 6) I passed away after a serious operation, I called out to GOD “what about my children” and immediatly I heard HIS voice commanding the angel of death to take me back as it is not my time. How is that for a revelation. Many other miracles have happened since. My one son who is a horse show jumping trainer was involved in an accident ( I always pray for my children) A truck bashed into him from behind at a red light, his car caught alight , all the doors were jammed and the people around him did not know what to do, the next moment my son was standing outside his car, no burns, no injuries: The Randburg Sun newspaper reported it as: “Drivers miracle escape” no one who witnessed it could understand or explain it except my son, he knew it was the LORD’s hand. This is just 2 of the many that has happened: how can I not believe????????

  140. Regarding the scriptures be God’s word.
    I have no need to justify it. As God has done so himself. He put prophecy in there so we can see that he knows the end from the beginning. The prophecy it self testifies to God.

    Take for example
    (Isaiah 66:8 KJV) Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

    It was talking about israel, and yes Israel was born in a day.

    Many other prophecies are currently playing out like
    (Ezekiel 38:8 KJV) After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.

    (Ezekiel 38:9 KJV) Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.

    This also talks of a coming war funny enough the nations he is referring to are the exact nations current against Israel…..

    Hmmmm I wonder could it be? Could it all be true, If I say it is not true then i would be speaking a lie. And I am not a liar. Like the rest of the world there father is the father of lies. he was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.
    Yes he killed the first parents spirits. Adam and eve.

  141. It is indeed an interesting topic. I think we musnt regard one religion superior to others simply because of recognition by majority of the population from various countries. They all have ancient type of scripts, accept that othere were favoured by modern technology which made them famous. We heared stories of incidents that can be proven to have happened and beneficial to its believers. God is One and is Almighty, the issue is how do one reach HIM, directly or through the third party. God help those who help themselves. Thieves, killers, defraudster etc pray the same god to survive their inhuman or corrupt missions. Look the rich people around your area and ask yourself how did they acquire their wealth, in most instances its shocking, people died and the poor were made even poorer etc. God bless us

  142. OLD FASHION says:

    I love this topic, it helps me searching God’s Word for answers and enriches my wisdom. It is true their are many gods but none of them will give or can give life. Jesus did not write any books and yet if everything about HIM has to be written their won’t be enough paper. God is also not available to a casual seeker God says seek ME with all your heart and you will find ME. HE is only available with intentionality. Why the world is in a mess is on account of poeple denying HIS LOVE, GRACE and JOY, HE made possible for us to escape judgement through JESUS. Was JESUS judged enough?: : YES Was Calvary full and complete?: Yes. Was JESUS punished enough?: Yes so we can not be punished. Did the Father expand every bit of wrath and anger upon JESUS?: Yes. So HE has not got any anger or punishment left. So there is no judgement between Calvary and Judgement day now. All shall be judged on judgement day when the books will be opened and those
    washed in the BLOOD of JESUS only shall not be judged. That is why , crime, adultary, corruption, murder, etc is freely done now but how and what will happen when they leave this earth to their souls???? Man’s spirit returns to GOD when this body collapses and those who belong to HIM returns to HIM in heaven and those that have not accepted JESUS is in a different place , as the Bible tells us where the rich man was and he could not escape out of that wrath. Every one reading this can make of it as they please the choice is theirs but this is part of GOD’s plan to let you know the truth. Serving the LORD is really so awsome and rewarding once you get to know HIM , HE never leaves you, never forsakes you and keeps you in HIS hands.

  143. Ol' Pliny says:

    Old fahion, Lord Jonathan Sachs, Chief Rabbi of the United Hebrew Congregations
    of the Commonwealth recently lashed out at Stephen Hawking for claiming in his new
    book that God played no part in the creation of the universe. Now, will someone
    explain to me how these scientists can make such statements without any logical proof.

    In the 38th chapter of Job, God tells Job how he created the universe long before he created man,
    and he mentions the constellations then how he made the earth.

    Sachs also brought out a strong point: He said that wisdom holds more than science, which cannot tell us
    why we are here or how we should live. How true. The Bible, especially Christianity, whether the word
    of God or not, contains many gems, and golden morals which has brought about many personality changes.
    What can be said about science, or even come from it, except that it strains the brain to no physical
    advantage.

    Sacks also said the hostility between science and religion was one of the curses of our time. He warned
    that it would be equally damaging to both. By this, I suppose, he means that the enmity could well cause
    people to lose confidence in both, IE: Religionists want proof of the things scientists claim, (Black holes,
    the big bang theory, etc) and scientists want proof that God exists.

    For my part, I am very happy to be living on this beautiful, scenic earth with its rivers, mountains, floral
    beauty, and variety of animal life created for my enjoyment – not in outer space. (Isa 45:18)

  144. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    @ Old Fashion…………..

    1 Thessalonians 5 verse 17 states : “Pray incessantly”
    2 Thessalonians only has 3 chapters! ??????????

  145. OLD FASHION says:

    hastheworldgonecrazy, thanks for pointing out my typing error should be 1 Thessolonians 4 verse 17.

  146. We learn for purposes of living a better life. This reminds me of group debate at school, you’ll research objectively to defeat the opponents and research on the opponent subject. I would assume this also applies to this topic, clearly others have completed their academic thesis on a particular religion and not intensively about others. This is been a topic on radio/tv talk shows which I like very muck and from there one could conclude that its a win win situation to convice whoever is watching/listening. I think it would be more interesting to deliberate on prons and cons on various religion i.e god created earth and heaven v/s science and substantiate. Lets not be one sided. Do we say what we saying because we believe or is emanating from education acquired, how do I proof it?

  147. OLD FASHION says:

    Hi Msandas, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. If you have experienced the goodness and love of GOD and having an intimate relationship with HIM as a Father and being able to talk to HIM anywhere , anytime in any situation it is amazing how HE reveals HIS Power and almighty ability to us. Nothing but nothing is impossible for GOD, I love HIM and knows that HE is real.

  148. Ol' Pliny says:

    Msandas, you appear to be educated in a secular sense. This is very good, seeing
    that it is knowledge that makes God omniscient. But then knowledge of mundane
    things conflict with spiritual knowledge, which Jesus says, belongs to those the worldly.
    You have read some of the nonsensical views in these forums.
    In one of your previous posts you said: “I think we musn’t regard one religion superior to others.”

    Wisdom is truly on your side on account of using the words, “I think” therefore worthy of respect.”.
    True, no religion is better than others, but many religions are lesser or worthless in God’s eyes.
    For instance, who really would like to belong to a church that tests God. For starters, I’m referring to that
    yankie Pentecostal Church of God for starters. They try to prove their faith by playing with deadly
    rattlesnakes. (Compare 1Tim 4:1-5)

    But, if it makes you happy, allow me to express myself in this regard: I would still prefer to live in a world
    filled with people who call themselves Christian, even though we differ regarding doctrines, than to live
    in a world filled with atheists, agnostics and those who constantly moan when we bring religion into
    Wonkie’s cartoons. Simply for the reason that, when friction arises among Christians, we have a solid
    reference to settle matters, IE: The Holy Bible. Aetheists and others have nothing of this sort.

  149. Take pull a cow out of mud you have to get into the mud. Does this mean you have to do sin in order to rescue others from sin. Christianity say live and preach, is it enough or does it mean do the wrong activities and convice them out of it as having an experience.
    We dont have to call ourselves christians if not living it, many regards themselves christians by veture of been baptised in christian church during their birth time, their parents were compelled to go to church so is their children. It a culture of church goiers. Please dont judge me most of the explanation are absolutely new to me, which might believe to many others out there. To a certain extend there is a spiritual conflict. Looking at these modern church people cry loud and there is a wrong perception if you dont cry. When you are touched by a pastor you fall meaning damon are strong in you. The whole lot of these instill a second thought about christianity.

  150. Msandas , just remember; GOD so loved the world that HE gave HIS only SON to save the world and that means everybody HE created. Excepting JESUS as our Saviour our life changes and we become a new person living in the Love of the LORD. The word christian means: Christ in me . Love conquers and in JESUS we have the victory, The Holy Spirit then teaches us and helps us to love GOD, our neigbours and ourselves, this is the biggest commandment of all. I trust and pray that the LORD will touch your heart and teach you. Read the Bible and listen to radio pulpit medium wave 65.7 they broadcast the gospel in 11 languages and I never heard them preaching wrong doctrines. There broadcast is 24 hours a day. Some pastors may have it wrong , some of them is out there to make money.
    Church is not a building but people, we are the church, church means body of Christ, Kingdom children coming together to worship, praise the Lord and to increase our knowledge of the LORD. To share and help one another. I was raised in a home were the LORD was the ultimate and Sundays was our day of worship and thanksgiving with the rest of our fellow believers. Our struggle is not against flesh and blood (that means people) but against the devils tricks. Read Ephesians 6 in the new Testament and Leviticus 20 vers 6 – 8 in the old Testament. The LORD will touch and teach you , I pray that GOD will reveal HIS plan in your life to you.

  151. Ol' Pliny says:

    As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing wrong in using scripture in any forum.
    To ban Biblical references and not any others is indeed discriminating.
    There is nothing wrong in going off topic for a while on a religious subject,
    especially once we have all run out of subject matter, as it so appears presently.

    Perhaps wonkie should consider initiating another religious cartoon. This came to mind after reading
    Msandas’ post, which contains too many unrelated observations, including the poor illustration of getting
    into the mud to pull out a cow – which is really a noble gesture – How do you relate that to sinning?
    I doubt many would also try to untangle your message to get your point – if there is one other than
    your apparent rejection of Christianity.

  152. Let me tell you the world will not end in 2012 but things are going to get worse. Wars will erupt even wwiii a global conflict. we will have to choose sides. Gods side or the worlds side. evil will increase and the church will be accused of many things. a harvest will take place in that year. many souls will be won to salvation. then darkness will arise as never before. soon the Lord of all the earth will come.

  153. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    @ Msandas.

    I agree with Ol’ Pliny. Yours is truly a voice of innocence and reason. You do not judge or criticize, and we could all take a leaf out of your book. Thank you for your honesty and insight.
    It would certainly be interesting to start a rational, non-emotional post on religion and science. (Note : I did not state religion versus science, because I do not believe there is that much of a conflict!) But it would certainly be interesting to understand where people stand regarding religion, without quoting endless bible texts which are really meaningless to those who cannot accept or believe that the bible is in any way god-inspired. Just get people’s views and beliefs. How about it, Msandas? Ol’ P? Dirk? No slanging matches, no bible texts, just your personal belief, and why.

  154. Hi Hastheworld, nice to see you hold no grudge. I knew there was good hiding behind
    your strong talk. But, I will never compromise my beliefs which I have defended before
    quite a few well known personalities for over fifty years.

    In the beginning, while a little raw and Bible illiterate, I often had to eat humble pie.
    It was only during the past 15 years that I polished up knowledge to near perfection.
    During which time I had countless talks and discussions with persons who learnt more
    from me than I from them. Mostly they gave up. When I did, it was mostly when in
    the company of a religious bigot, who thinks God is on his side on account of his loudness.

    Hastheworls…> ” no bible texts, just your personal belief, and why.”
    That’s may be possible with others, but to me it’s like asking Rembrandt to discuss art without
    mentioning painting. The Bible is both my tool for settling matters and my guide to moral.
    Neither you, Dirk or any other can do both using a single reference source
    Anyhow, it’s nice to be able to speak to you again.

  155. I honour suggestion. Before I jump off this issue, you know I sometimes wish to feel that spirit in me but honest truth is I cant. you might laugh but sometimes I pray and lose concentration along the way eventually stop. I have been to various churches but dont feel the spirit and want to feel the spirit. Maybe I must continue going to church, like this past sunday instead would see or rather criticise pastor’s preaching as they would be more about offering to the church. I need help prayers or something, anyway this subject is exhausted.

  156. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Msandas. I, too, looked at many different religions, hoping to find God, and, just like you, I had no luck! On an emotional level, I would really, really like to believe that there is a benign, caring creator, who put us here because he loved us, and wanted to share some of the magnificence of his creation with us. However, on a purely logical level, I know this cannot be true. (Will go into that at a later stage). So, I don’t think you are going to find the “spirit” you are looking for in churches. Look inside yourself, acknowledge just what an amazing and complex creature you are, capable of thought, logic, reason, love, hate, good, bad. Do you not think it is possible that deep within the very essence of you, lies the “spirit” you so desperately seek? Or, as many call it, the “God-spark” which I believe is within each and every one of us. We spend most of our lives desperately looking for a reason for our existence, an explanation as to why we are here, and the bible is like comfort food. It gives us a kind of peace, removes our complete and utter terror of death, and allows us to be imperfect with the promise of salvation as long as we repent. Then we spend the rest of our miserable existence trying to force our belief on others, proclaiming that according to the bible, only WE are the one, true religion! The Catholics would have the rest of the so-called Christian community burning in hell for not embracing their faith. The Jehovah’s Witnesses would have god simply destroy the non-believers, and leave only the faithful Witnesses on paradise earth. But, clearly, some people have found comfort in all these different religions, and in a way, I envy them! Their internal search is no longer necessary. They have an explanation for EVERYTHING, and they are comforted and at peace. Which leaves the poor sods like me! I do not have any logical explanation for ANYTHING, I just know that I am! I do not know what death holds for us. I am not afraid of death, because either which way, it is either a new beginning, a spiritual continuation/awakening, or nothing! So, ergo, there is nothing to fear. I honestly believe that if we live by our conscience, treat others as we would have them treat us, love unconditionally, forgive in advance, embrace the beauty of nature, and just be kind to ourselves and others, we will be spiritually at peace, and thereby discover the “god-spark” within us. Good luck on your journey, Msandas. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

  157. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld… When I was a boy of 10, the Catholic MB church in Uitenhage (P.E.)
    used to show religious movies every Saturday. Not surprising at my age, I never
    understood any of them, and they bored me to yawns – that is, except one which left me
    hanging in the mystery about God for many years. None of the children had Bibles,
    and the Brothers, (all dressed in black gowns) never read from it, or quoted it. Every morning at seven
    and four in the afternoon, they walked in a single file around the college reading from the Catechism.

    In the movie I refer to, a rather insolent shoemaker went to his shop in an agitated state and set up a
    table in the corner. An old tramp man who regularly came in for a hand out asked what he was doing.
    “Please go away”, said the shoemaker, “I’m expecting the Lord in a few minutes.”

    The tramp asked him how he knew, to which he said, “An angel woke me up at midnight to tell me.”
    When the tramp hung around too long, the shoemaker said, “Man, your shoes are very worn, here
    Take this pair I made yesterday and get out – please go.”

    As usual every day, his customers began to call, so he locked the door. That is, until an old woman
    kept knocking, saying, “I saw you come in this morning, I want the dress I asked you to fix.”
    He eventually opened the door and said, “Here take it – now, hurry up and go.”
    The old girl irritates him when she scratches in her bag for the coins. “Never mind.” Shouts shoemie.
    “Forget about the money, just take it and go away.” He again locks the door, and flops down again
    in one of the two chairs.

    At closing time, thoroughly disappointed, he opens the door to go home, and finds another person
    sitting outside. “Who are you?” asks shoemie. The person is shivering, pale and sickly. He asks him for
    some food and water. Shoemie than says, “If only you know how I suffered this day, you would be
    helping me. Now come with me.” When he gets home, he gives the guy some milk and bread, washes
    his wounds and lets him sleep over in his outer room.

    That night he prays to God, complaining how his angel wasted his whole day, and he also lost some
    money. The next morning, he gets up, unlocks the outer room door to let the stranger out, but finds
    that he disappeared. But on the bed he finds a note quoting the scripture at Matt 25:34 to 40.

    The movie then ends with the following words blazed on the screen: “Watch therefore, for you know
    neither the day nor hour in which the son of man is coming.” (Math 25:13)
    All that only came back to me, and made sense when I began to read the Bible at the age of 20 or so.
    Do good to others while yet alive on earth – you may never again have a chance to meet the lord.

  158. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    That is a lovely story, Ol’P, but it is meaningless to me, does not in any way prove to me that God exists! Please don’t take offence at what I say, but I have to be honest with you. I sat through the entire 9 hours of “Jesus of Nazareth” with Robert Powell in the leading role, and was so moved by it, that I couldn’t speak to anyone for hours after the movie had ended. My very soul felt raw and wounded for this amazing man and his suffering. Strangely, I do believe that he lived, just don’t (can’t) believe he is the son of God. Can’t, because I don’t believe that God is the caring, loving creator depicted in the bible.

    See, Pliny, I have a real problem with quite a few things about this being. First of all, I cannot understand the psychology of anything with that kind of power creating an entire species of sentient beings, who have the capacity for freedom of thought, but who are given the instruction to worship and adore their creator, or be severely punished. If you have any rational, logical explanation for this, I would be more than interested.

    This creator of yours is also most enigmatic, which I find puzzling as well. Why create us, and then hide from us? Why not share this experience of life with his creations? Enjoy them, share in their delight at what has been created just for them? And then, on top of staying well out of sight, expect us to simply believe that he is there? Why?

    In the beginning, he created first the universe, then the galaxy, then the earth, then the plants, then the animals. And as he created each one, he stepped back and said “Good!” Then he created man, stepped back and said “Don’t!” Why? If we are the pinnacle of his creative genius, why put restrictions on us? Why put that blasted tree in the garden? And, if he is powerful enough to have created all this by simply thinking it into existence, then there is every reason to assume that he knows everything, and therefore knew going in that Adam and Eve were going to be disobedient. So why create in the first place? We must have been a crushing disappointment to him!

    I have loads more questions, Ol’ P, and look forward to your response with great anticipation. Thank you for taking the trouble to answer me. I appreciate it!

  159. OLD FASHION says:

    Hastheworldgonecrazy: My heart calls out to you, somewhere, someone has hurt you so much that you can not even or descern true genuine love. God is too big for our human minds to understand, but if I had to tell you about all the questions I have asked HIM in my life and all the answers, it will take hours of writing and I still ask HIM questions just like a much loved child to our Heavenly Father. HIS love has NO boundaries we are suffering on account of the consequences of our own actions and can not blame GOD. HIS commandments is and has been forever, it existed in Heaven before HE created the earth. The first war ever fought was in Heaven, and caused by envy and jealousy. Maybe we can find a way for you to give me call if you need some help , maybe GOD will use me as an ambassador for
    Christ to help you find peace, inner healing, joy and prosperity in your life.
    I Pray that the Power of the HOLY SPIRIT will come upon you , anoint and teach you.
    Much love to you:

  160. Hastheworldgonecrazy says:

    Dear Old Fashion : What a kind and caring person you must be! Thank you so very much for your loving response to my last post.
    I have been hurt no more and no less than any other person on this planet, I don’t think I have reacted any worse than anyone else, and I certainly haven’t been forced to shut god out. Based on logic and reason, I simply cannot accept that there is a god who actually cares about each one of us as individuals, and who watches over us and loves us. My logical mind tells me that this (life) could not have come about by accident (or could it?), and I am more than open to there being some sort of “force”, for want of a better word, out there which somehow brought about life, the universe and everything (apologies to Douglas Adams). It makes more sense than just nothing. My logical mind tells me that whatever there was before we came about, it was SOMETHING, ergo, SOMEONE or some OTHER THING must have made it. Otherwise there would be just nothing. (Which actually doesn’t sound like too bad an idea!) WHAT exactly it is, I have no idea. This is one of the reasons I cannot ascribe to a caring deity. We have been “made” and left to fend for ourselves, to try and discover what life is all about, with absolutely no help whatsoever. No, I do not believe that the bible is our life-line, or that it holds any clues as to how we came about, and why we are here. No-one has yet been able to prove to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt that the bible is, in fact, inspired by god.
    I feel (and hope!) that there is consciousness after death, but I believe that if there is, THAT is where our soul journey truly begins, and not on this sad little 3rd rock from the sun!

  161. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld… Face these facts: It is not possible for anyone to prove that God exists.
    Neither would he allow it. God created us with freedom of choice to decide our future.
    He has never been seen by any human,, past or present, despite claims to that effect.
    He does not need any ‘hangers on’ who believe only because they have seen him.
    He has always used spirit angels in human form to transmit message to mankind , either in the form of
    warnings, promises, revelations, guidance and condemnation.

    There are only two ways to believe that he exists: Blind faith is one, but unacceptable to him.
    He wants people to evaluate the situation, than have faith. Micah 6:6 states this up very clearly.
    To summarise: You need not try to give him anything in a material sense, or even sacrifice your first born
    to compensate for your sins. All he wants from you in return for your faith, is to accept that all he has
    told us from the time of Adam up till Micah’s time, was for your own good. All he wants in return is that
    you exercise justice, mercy and walk modestly with your God.

    The shoemaker story summed it all up. He does mind if stress causes you to be angry at times. (Psa 4:4)
    The visitor ignored that part of shoemie’s nature. But God will not tolerate active anger. (Gal 5:20)
    Jesus summed up God’s requirements in a single sentence. “Therefore, whatever you want men to do to
    you, do also to them, for this is the law and the prophets.” In other words, all 600 laws that he gave
    to ancient Israel, and the reason that he sent his prophets to the people, was for the sole purpose that,
    to find their God, they needed to love one another and live in peace, and have resppect for his creation..

    Now, that’s where the crunch comes. Not all want that. People are generally greedy, selfish, hard hearted
    stubborn and wicked. Just look out your window and see all the crime, divisions and war.

    So, how then does one find God? To put it simply, you cannot find God by searching for him. He has to
    find you. There are many scriptural references to this. Here is one: “But there are some of you who do
    not believe…Therefore I have said to you, that no one can come to me unless it has been granted to him
    by my father.” (John 6:44, 65) This can only happen if you allow yourself to be found. Why delay?

  162. Ol' Pliny says:

    Correction to my previous post:
    It should be:
    He does NOT mind if stress causes you to be angry at times. (Psa 4:4)
    This is why shoemie’s visitor ignored that part of his nature.

    Please excuse all spelling errors, I have yet to install the spell-checker.
    I had a HD failure last week on Friday.

  163. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Hi, Ol’ P. Thanx for your interesting response. See that’s one of the problems I have with your god. WHY would he not make himself known to his creation? WHY create us, give us “free will”, and then remove the privilege of that free will by destroying us if we use it? I simply don’t understand that at all! If he was such a perfect and forgiving deity, why would he unleash his wrath on his creation with things like floods, plagues, etc., simply because they excersized their god-given free will? Surely, a perfect deity, as he is portrayed, would not succumb to that kind of spiteful vengeance? That is an incredibly human characteristic! And, if this creator is capable of all the human emotions that we experience, would this not make him an extremely unstable being? Imagine a Ted Bundy or Osama Bin Laden with the powers of that deity. Scary!
    I have it on good authority as well, that all “traditional” christian faiths, from the Catholics to these very strange Charismatic, Born-Again folk, are in fact, and I quote, “An abomination to Jehovah”. They are portrayed as the Whore of Babylon in that weird and psychotic last book of the bible, Revelation. These people are good, decent, gentle people who love their fellow man, and actually live by their belief system. They do no wrong to another human being. They refuse to take up arms against another human being, risking prosecution and prison in order to stand by their belief. Don’t get me wrong, I think they are whacked as any other christian faith, but at least they are more sincere in their lifestyle.
    Then there are those who smugly tell me that they have “found” god (where, pray tell?), and accepted Jesus Christ as their PERSONAL ” saviour, and that unless I pray fervently, and do likewise, I am doomed to either non-existence, or an eternal existence in physical and mental agony! What kind of god would do that? I want nothing to do with such a creature!
    I am not a bad person. I truly love my fellow man, in fact the suffering of humanity is almost too much for me to bear. My very soul is wrenched by intolerance which leads to violence and death. I do not know if I live a good “christian” life, but I do know that I have never deliberately harmed anyone. That I would give my last few pennies to a mother with a starving child. And yet, I cannot come to terms with this god of yours, and therefore can only assume that I am as doomed as a serial killer! This does not make sense to me at all!

  164. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld…
    The expression that one can take a horse to the water, but cannot make it drink is
    most fitting when it comes to religion – and the fault, of course lies with the horse.
    Faith, of course, is not a fixed quantity. Like strength, it needs to be developed.
    Even well meaning people, perhaps like yourself, may actually like to improve their
    lives, and become Christians. Those who do not succeed really have themselves to blame.

    The apostles walked with Jesus, saw his miracles and even declared their belief that he was God’s son.
    Yet, one day while Jesus was having a nap aboard their fishing boat, they lost confidence when a storm
    rocked the boat. (Matt 8:26) Because of his lessened (not lack) faith, Peter denied Jesus three times.
    Thomas on the other hand lost a little faith after Jesus’ death, and refused to accept that Jesus had risen.
    He needed to add proof to his faith. (John 20:24,25)

    Now compare an army officer who only heard of Jesus and was sinful. Yet he had absolute faith that
    Jesus did not even need to go to his house to cure his servant. Jesus was impressed and said that he
    had never before seen such great faith. (Matt 8:5 -13)

    By comparing the following scriptures, you will notice that it was the faith of people that impressed Jesus:
    (Matt 9:2; 9:22; 13:58; 15:28; 16:8, Etc) In fact, Jesus made it clear that it is only through faith that we
    have a chance to live forever, which exempts the faithless. (John 3:16-19; Rev 21:8)

    As I said some posts ago, your future lies in your own hands. Some already have, and others may yet
    come along to encourage you and teach you, but none can give you faith. Nor is it a gift from God.
    Jesus would not give it to the apostles even when they asked for it. (Luke 17:5)

  165. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld…
    You are probably aware that I avoided responding to all the statements and questions
    in your previous post, and went ahead to explain the need for faith. Have you perhaps
    noticed that whenever someone holds a press conference, among the reporters there
    are both local and foreign reporters. Observe very next time how each reporter asks
    only one question – the one he feels in the most important to his country or party.

    Well it seems pretty obvious that if he had to pose many questions, he would be acting
    on behalf of all. The person holding the conference only needs to say, “I don’t see the
    point you are trying to make with all those questions.”, then scan for another raised hand.

    Keep in mind that each question you ask may need a completely different approach.
    Moreover, the questions may be unrelated, and not worthwhile answering. All leaders have
    advisors who warn them before hand how some reporters make it their goal to upset or
    confuse the person being interviewed. Just as some dumb people in an audience heckle,
    hoping he would lose credibility..

  166. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Ol’P. First of all, I don’t understand how you can compare my myriad questions, and the reason therefore, to that one, all-important question a journalist might ask at a press conference. Also, you have clearly ranked me alongside that “heckler” in the audience. I find that kind of offensive. I am SINCERELY asking possible life-changing questions, which I think are just a little more important than those thrown at the interviewee at that press conference of yours! The fact that you find some of my questions “not worthwhile answering”, indicates that, once again, I have approached the wrong person for comment on those questions. This, surprisingly, saddens me, because I have been impressed with all your comments, (even those taking me to task after my uncalled-for attack on Dirk!) and, although we will never meet, through reading your balanced and intelligent comments, I gained respect for you, despite our very different views on God! However, it seems to me that this is not reciprocated, and that you are not prepared to actually take one question at a time, and either try and give me an answer, or explain exactly why it does not warrant an answer!

    Secondly, ALL of your response comments to me, include many, many bible references, all of which supposedly prove your point. As I said in a much earlier comment, prove to me that the bible is God-inspired, and I might start taking it a bit more seriously. It is, after all, simply a book, which man decided some centuries ago, was the word of God.

    Please don’t abandon me, Ol’P. As I said, one question at a time, if you have that time! Much appreciated.

  167. OLD FASHION says:

    Hastheworld…
    Just as a matter of interest I am busy watching a tv channel TBN on the discovery of Jericho. The proof that the walls collapsed as the Bible tells us has now been confirmed after 50 years of excuvation by archeoligist, you might want to get on your pc right now on TBN while being broadcasted live.

  168. isnt it interesting how the bible is being proved historically?

  169. what will make you believe? the gospel! yes
    God is going to shake the earth again and there will be signs again.
    Will you believe and repent? No! Then I am sorry for you!
    The truth is in the bible all you have to do is believe like a child! with no question, get your head out of the way. it will be a obstacle.

  170. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Hi, Old Fash… Thanx for that. Tried to find it, but am not terribly computer-literate! Anyways, I am not denying that the bible is a very accurate history book of it’s time, and am not at all surprised when historical accounts in the bible are proved to be correct, in fact, it re-iterates the fact that is is, indeed, nothing more than a history book! I know you and Ol’Pliny have accepted Christianity as the one, true religion, and I truly admire you for that, and at some point in your search for this truth, you must have found something in this belief system which made so much sense, that your soul resonated with the truth of it. For this, I envy you! I have not yet found a truth which resonates within me like that. I have theories, and a feeling of what may be my truth, and, although it is nothing like Christianity, it makes so much more sense to me. Please don’t think I have closed my mind, I wouldn’t have bothered to try and find TNB on the net, if I had, but, as Ol’P knows, I can’t simply accept things at face value, and will question ANYTHING!
    Thanx again!

  171. OLD FASHION says:

    Hasthewor,,,
    Yeh you right we never stop asking questions, I ask GOD questions everyday and then patiently wait for the answer. HE has never yet not answered me, sometimes the answer is not really what I wanted but in the end it prooves to be to my benefit. God surely also has a tremendous sense of humor. My first marriage years ago which lasted 6.5 years and 3 children later was a disaster. My husband was a sycho and never worked, we divorced 3.5 years after we had seperated as I did not believe in divorce as GOD hates it and nagged GOD for 3 years before HE answered me directly: Due to my ex having commited adultery, tried 3 times to kill me and the children, God said that I should divorce and HE will later send me someone that will be a perfect match for me. Well after 17 years of single life, rearing my children on my own, “thinking GOD had forgotten what HE promised” I met my husband of now, who incidently is a workaholic , he hardly ever stops working. We serve the LORD together, pray and work together and GOD is just wonderful to us, between the two of us we have eight children and a wonderful relationship between all of us. Without GOD this would not have been possible. The time has come for you to call out to the LORD and ask HIM with a contrite heart. LORD please reveal Yourself to me and help me to gain faith and trust in YOU alone. The LORD will hear your cry and answer you. God Bless

  172. OLD FASHION says:

    Frank:- Yes this subject is far better then politics at least it has eternal value.
    politicians will come and go be forgotten and unimportant in years to come but we have a great event to look forward to:
    The Return of our LORD, sure hope it is soon.

  173. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld…says: “you have clearly ranked me alongside that “heckler” in the
    audience. I find that kind of offensive.” You should never ask for advice if you read
    offense into responses. Not many will put up with your assumptions when they are
    genuinely trying to help you.. I never pussyfoot when giving advice, and cannot see
    how that could be interpreted as lack of respect. Shock treatment – maybe.

    You probably heard Johnny Nash’s song, “There are more questions than answers, Pictures in my
    mind that will not show…And the more I find out the less I know… I’ve asked the question time and
    time What should we take and how much should we give…”

    I’ve said this before: There are 22 main stream churches in the world, and more than 10,000 minor
    offshoots, sects or starters. Some big like Ray McCauley’s, others small, insignificant and confined
    to specific localities. Most with the emphasis on a “Non-taxable, Profitable God Business”
    Take your pick – perhaps you unknowingly have. In a previous post you referred to one of them:

    “These people are good, decent, gentle people who love their fellow man, and actually live by their
    belief system. They do no wrong to another human being. They refuse to take up arms against another
    human being, risking prosecution and prison in order to stand by their belief.”
    Then you should really start directing questions at the religion that appeals to you..

  174. Ol' Pliny says:

    Hastheworld… In my previous reply, I said: “You should never ask for advice if you
    read offense into responses.”
    Perhaps you did not fully understand that. Advice as such, in these forums is free and
    should be respected – even if it appears to be abrupt.

    Supposing you approach and attorney for advice knowing that you will have to pay for it.
    As it turns out, he just happens to be honest and not money hungry. That’s what you really want – not so?
    He then says, “Look lady, you will be wasting your time and money. Your case is lost. I’m not prepared
    to waste my time defending you, and perhaps make a fool of myself in court in the process.”

    Now that is being abrupt – It was intended to shock you into being reasonable.
    For that you would surely be most grateful. Why not have the same attitude in these forums.

  175. OLD FASHION

    I get the impression that when you first got married you did not know how to use the “peace of God” (Phil 4:7 ) to tell you wich way to go! I did the same foolish thing not to listen to the voice of the peace of God…..if only south africans knew how to listen to that voice, we would not sit with this circus-government of heathen savages waring against everything wearing a white skin

  176. Hastheworldgonecrazy…

    To foolish people like you destined for hell for hating the truth and who do not have the spirit of God, the Bible is just another book…for some a history book and others want to find scientific answers in the Bible – FOOLS! The bible is about God and nobody else and those who can’t see that, can’t see that because they are spirritually blind and dead!
    You seems to be completely stupid as well as you still refer to christianity as a religion after it has been clearly established here on wonkie that christianity is not a religion!

    You call the Bible a history book…please use this opportunity to show me the “history” in these verses (talking about you even before you were born!):

    Ecc 10: 2. A wise man’s heart directs him to the right; but the foolish man’s heart directs him towards the left.
    3. Even when the fool walks along the road his sense is lacking, and he demonstrates to everyone that he is a fool.

    The New American Standard Bible.

  177. Msandas

    You won’t find the Spirit of God at some manmade “church”…jesus is the One Who give His Spirit to those that belive in Him….the fact that you hope to find the Spirit at some church witness against you that you have not yet repent to God but are trying to do the trick yourself! Forget about those satanic man made hell holes who refer to themselfs as the “church” for none of them are mentioned in the bible and are therefor NOT from God. Obviously and logic..if you really want the Spirit of God, ask Him for it.

  178. Ol' Pliny says:

    Dirkie you correctly stated that the Bible is not a history book, as some insist, possibly in
    an attempt to obtain disciples. Like many books from science to fiction, it does contain
    historical accounts, which the apostle Paul said, “Now all these things happened to them
    as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages
    have come.” (1 Cor 10:11) In fact, the Bible offers much more than past events.

    As may be seen in the last part of that scripture, there are two ages mentioned. (time periods).
    The Bible in essence is therefore more prophetic in nature. The early disciples and Paul lived during the
    first of those ages, and we are living in the latter. Before Jesus, Paul and the other apostles died, they
    foretold many events that would take place during our time. Here are a few:
    a – False religious sons of Satan the author of perdition. (2 Thes 2:1-5)
    b – Some of the teachings these will introduce. (1 Tim 4:1-4)
    c – Those who ridicule these prophecies. (Jude 17,18)
    d- Mockers lacking in spirituality. (2 Pet 3:3-4)

    Is it not odd that even unbelievers themselves repeat to others, that famous expression:
    “There’s none so deaf as those who will not hear, nor so blind as those who will not see. (Internet Idioms)

  179. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    @ Dirk

    Clearly, you have not accepted either of my very sincere public apologies to you, because you have not even acknowledged them! Very Christian, I must say. An example to us all! You are so convinced that I, being the “Fool” that I am, are doomed to spend eternity in Hell, and you seem to be quite okay with this. Quite smug, in fact. Once again, very Christian! As a “non”- Christian myself, I still bleed for humanity, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, whoever! I don’t care who you are, what colour or gender you are, you are part of this amazing experience called “life”, part of my story, as I am part of yours. As such, I give you the respect you deserve, to live out YOUR story as you will. I may not agree with your beliefs, may, at times, take an aggressively contradictory stand against those beliefs, but, as I have proven to YOU, I will always say “Sorry” once I realise I have overstepped a personal boundary.
    You, on the other hand, do not seem capable of any sort of higher thought process, and continue in your incredibly childish way, to demean and denigrate anyone whose beliefs do not agree with yours.
    I am sorry you have labeled me a “Fool”, because I think you know that I am NOT! I would not demean you this way, and I sincerely hope that you will be able to come to terms with your meanness and nastiness by finding some quote in the bible which will justify this behaviour, and make you feel better!

  180. Hastheworld, perhaps Dirk is a little extreme, but he is in defense of God’s word.
    Please read how a disciple spoke at Jude 3-16. It’s not very much different.
    You come across as faithless, and in full support of anti-god scientists, which
    classifies you among those Jude condemned. Trying to find fault rather than truth.

  181. OLD FASHION says:

    Dear LORD,
    I am writing down on this blog that which is on my heart. Please tell us now what your perception is regarding all of this or do we have to wait until JESUS comes back to give us the answer. We know what your WORD tells us to do and that the biggest commandment is LOVE. Love conquers all. You also told us to love our enemies which your Kindgdom children do. I pray that YOU LORD by the works of the HOLY SPIRIT that YOU will enlighten all of us but that our eyes will see, our ears will hear and our tongue confess that YOU are LORD. Amen and amen.

  182. Hastheworldgonecrazy... says:

    Ol’P. Please tell me where I have deliberately tried to “find fault”? I have simply asked a lot of questions, which is surely indicative of a search of some sort, and NOT a mission to debunk? I would never dream of labeling you or Dirk “Fools”, simply because I don’t understand how you can believe in something so insubstantial, in fact, I said it in an earlier post, I envy you! I truly wish I could believe in this god-of-the-bible of yours! I do! Which is precisely why I asked those questions. I had hoped that someone whose faith is as strong as yours and Dirk’s, would be able to answer my questions without any problem. See, I thought that everyone must have asked similar questions before becoming a committed christian, and that for them, the questions must have been successfully resolved. That’s all! If you and Dirk perceive me as a fault-finder rather than a truth seeker, than clearly I am approaching this completely incorrectly!

  183. Hastheworld asks: “Please tell me where I have deliberately tried to “find fault”
    One does not find that in one single statement of yours. It’s your posts in general.
    All non-Christians have a common weapon. When driven into a corner, they use words
    to this effect: “How very unchristian of you to say something like that.”
    As if they have now proved that they are better than Christians.

    How does one retaliate to that? One cannot really reply with something like, “How ungodly of you.”
    They find it easier to knock the identity, which is rather hypocritical.

  184. Hasthe…..
    You are one of those who do not believe/will not believe. It is because you love the this worldly life to much. have you considered you will die some day. what if you are in unbelief when this happens. Your brain messes things up. Tell it to shut up and listen to the voice of the Holy spirit then you will see the truth. And it will set you free. You go on about not knowing or believing because of some nonsence you are just stubborn, rebelling again Gods plan for your life. You should trust and doubt your doubts.

  185. Ol' Pliny says:

    Frank, many unbelievers attempt to lay the blame at the door of the faithful for not
    being able to prove to them that God exists. Most of us who adopted Christianity
    did not do so blindly. Even writers of secular history, such as Josephus wrote about
    the man Jesus who performed miracles and died at the hands of the Romans.

    We took the trouble to read the scriptures and everything made sense to us. The Bible is free of
    superstition and it’s laws are far better than those of mankind. Take for example the thieves in our
    society. After getting a wrap on the wrist, the owner gets no compensation. According to God’s
    laws at Exod 22:1 onwards, anyone stealing a sheep or other livestock, had to compensate with five
    of that species. If he was not able to do so, he had to become a slave to the person he stole from
    until he paid for his debt in kind.

    Everything in the Bible is truth From the order of creation to history itself. Events in the Bible denied
    for centuries have been proved true during recent archaeological excavations.

    It was while we were absorbed in these things that God’s spirit opened our hearts, the same as he
    did with the woman Lydia at Acts 16:14. Those having unresponsive hearts are cast aside if he finds
    no good in them. (1 Chron 28:9)

    The sinner who died alongside Jesus had faith long before that, which is why Jesus assured him of
    his hope. The apostle Paul was a devout Pharisee, who persecuted Christians because he sincerely
    believed that they were misled. But, note the difference. He was god-fearing and was serving him
    according to his beliefs regarding the mosaic laws, and it was for this that he was shown mercy.
    Considering the above, the faith of the unbeliever is neither in our hands nor in God’s.
    They not only challenge God to identify himself, but have no regard for the Love he displayed for
    Them, by send his beloved son to earth to die a horrible death to compensate for their inherited sin.

  186. OLD FASHION says:

    ol”Pliny and all the rest, We can expect great things in these last days, people are re-awakening and a great revival is in the process of starting, miracles will happen more often and it will be no surprise to me if all true Christians will discover the Power of the Holy Spirit as we realise how short a time is left. The goats are being seperated from the sheep , the sheep knows and hears the voice of the LORD. Faith will believers will grow in power and in works. The world will become worse due to disobedience and the enemy will have them believing that there is no GOD. When the world declares war against Christianity to try and wipe it out JESUS will return in great Power and Triumph. We are living in exciting but difficult times but JESUS said: Be of good cheer as I have the victory and are with you always”
    that is more then enough for me. I have been driving around my neighborhood asking GOD to protect all of us and let no evil happen, we have had not one incident in our neighborhood since, now I am going to extend my area proclaiming it for GOD against all evil attacks. The neighbours are not even aware of that but the time will come when they realise GOD”s favour and protection is over them.

  187. The Sunday Times ‘Business’ reveals that Zuma nephew KhuluBuse Zuma
    is setting his sights on beating J.R. to oil wealth. Incdidently Khulu means ‘Large’
    and Buse means ‘to carry’, perhaps ‘too large to carry’
    Zuma again, means ‘taking by surprise’ – how true.

    Whilst weighing this matter, (excuse the pun) it came to mind that most modern motor cars
    look like Jacob at the front and like Khulubuse at the back.
    The Renault Megane which looks like Zuma when coming or going.
    Is there any prophetic significance in this? (LOL)
    When Richard Nixon became president, the first thing that came to mind was,
    “Oh dear, he will be the last president – The end of the world is near.”
    I mean, take a look at how well he resembles the Easter Island statues.

  188. OLD FASHION
    October 27th, 2010 at 2:48 pm

    The non-believers will just think they had “good luck” that’s all!

    From my side, I really hope this world will come to an end in 2012 as I am sick of this wing-nut new south africa with it’s idiots…

    Ecc 10:7 I have seen servants upon horses like princes, and princes walking as servants upon the earth.

  189. Hastheworldgonecrazy…
    October 27th, 2010 at 11:24 am

    If you truly wish to believe, you are at the same place I was before 1984 – I also could not believe and then one day ( somewhere during 1978 ) said to God that I just can’t believe no matter how hard i try… secret is He is the ONLY one who can make us believe and He did that on the right time on 16/12/1984 and ever since then I sang a new song!

  190. Hastheworldgonecrazy…
    October 27th, 2010 at 9:28 am
    @ Dirk

    Sorry friend, I have not been around for quite some time and never saw the appologies you made… have my word, if you trully seek truth, I am right behind you all the way and whatever you may have said before, will not even come up in my mind ever again and consider you a friend from now on. 🙂

  191. Hi Dirk, nice to hear you again – thought you left us.
    Re your comment: “I am sick of this wing-nut new south africa with it’s idiots..”

    I’ve seen you use the ‘wing-nut’ expression before, and thought is was merely
    a onetime saying. As an ou topie, and not being fully acquainted with modern
    terms, I looked it up this morning.

    Wikipedia gives the following:
    “Wingnut (politics), an American slang term for a person who holds extreme
    political (especially right-wing) views; compare with “moonbat” “ I guess that is rendering
    you use. But note, there is no hyphen.

    When the hyphen links the two words, IE: ‘Wing-nut’ it refers to someone whose ears stick
    out like VW Beetle musguards, EG: Prince Charles. ?

  192. Hastheworldgonecrazy says:

    Hello, Dirk! Missed you! Thank you for your gracious acceptance of my most humble apology. As I said, I had no right whatsoever.
    Nice to have you back. You sure make these blogs interesting, and I actually agree with some of the things you say. I will have to try and keep in touch with those who have become almost friends to me on Wonkie when I emigrate next year. Wishing you and your family a peaceful and blessed festive season, and a successful and happy new year.

  193. OLD FASHION let me propose the quickest method to end the world is to thow yourself in the lions den or go the nearer to Mugabe residence.
    Guys year has almost ended with the its atrocities and of course good events. We must just be greatful that we alive because of his mercy that is wonderful and is appreciated. My unconditional best wishes to you all guys and a prosperous new year.

  194. Ol’ Pliny
    December 13th, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    To a leftwing american, a right winger is a wingnut (maybe because you turn it clockwise/rightwards to tighten it ) but in the eye of a man whos heart directs him towards the right ( Ecc 10:2 ) a leftwinger or communist in this day after the fall of it, is a wingnut..so also is a president who just write off billions of cuban debt and then pay them a couple of million to do business with the backyard country who can’t produce anything, not even diesel engines.
    No, I did not just leave you guy’s – sometimes I am just not in the mood to stick to my wonkie charackter and I don;t want anybody to discover that I am actually a softy at heart 😉

    Hastheworldgonecrazy
    December 13th, 2010 at 3:10 pm

    it’s good te learn that it’s not just my dog that miss me if I am not around! 🙂 Thanks friend . Now are you then going to emigrate to a country where there is no Internet? You must be moving deeper into darker africa then 😉 or Tahite? perhaps? Can’t think of any other place on earth without Internet. Pitty you want tot leave now just when we start understanding one another better 🙁

    Anyway al good friends, as well as bad ones, may you all have a blessed 2011! There is no bigger blessing than getting to know the living God – may He be part of your daily lives 4 ever!

  195. Dirkie, never allow sentimentality rob you of your integrity. Be like the man Job
    who told his silly wife, “Shall we receive the good from God and not the bad?”
    (Job 2:9-10) It’s favourable to be friendly with everyone, but not to the expensive
    of truth itself. Many have praised me in past years, then slyly tried to get me to
    capitulate or compromise my beliefs. Yet, I will keep speaking out against hypocrisy, just as I have
    done in these forums. Those who don’t like it are the ones that hurt themselves.

    Good one about the wing nut turning to the left. 🙂
    Reminds me of the noble gent who asked the porter,
    “I say, I say old man, which of these trains go to Banbury Cross?” The porter says,
    “Take the one on the right, ol’ sport, and you’ll be right.”
    The gent looks at him down his nose, and says, “Rather sassy you are for a porter, aren’t you?”
    “Nay!”, says the porter, “I’m just helping you to improve your memory. You ask me that every
    week. If you take the one on the left and you’ll be left – Now never forget that again.”
    He got his tip. Moral: “Truth hurts, but it also cures. 🙂

  196. All I know is that I am working at a large biotherapeutic corporation in Clayton NC and I endroce Barack Obama with all my heart. I invite all my friends and colleagues to vote for Obama in 2012!! I LOVE YOU OBAMA

  197. Not yet. Or rather Yours Truly wishes that does not happen, not that I have any fears.

  198. No how can it be

  199. Anonymous says:

    Well, there is a strong possibility that the world may end in March 2012. The feast of Purim will be in the month of March 2012. There is a lot of interesting information (in particular) in the book of Esther in the Bible (KJV).

    There are some nice and interesting ongoing study series (in particular) on the book of Esther which can be found in http://www.ebiblefellowship.com/archives/2011/11/13/esther-part-1/ which outline many truths in the Bible related to the end times.

    To God be all the glory!

  200. pietpompies says:

    voted with my tongue in my cheek!!!

  201. Debasis Roy Chowdhury says:

    Do we measure any thing according to the prediction? NO, each of us have that sort of intellect to analyze any event to get the ultimate result.

  202. Here we still are. Did the mayans mention the time of day?

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