Islamic anger management cartoon

Islamic Anger Management cartoon

Islamic Anger – What is going on?!

The last couple of years have been especially traumatic for our brothers and sisters in the Middle East. Besides the advent of the Arab Spring and the associated violence, there is also much evidence of anger and violence in the region driven by religiously motivated groups and individuals.

The purpose of this article is not to pass judgement on what is right, wrong or justifiable. It is simply an observation about what is currently happening in the Islamic world and its publicised reaction to foreign events. There is an open invitation for readers of all religions to express their opinion on this perceived Islamic anger.

Readers will remember the global uproar when the Danish editorial cartoons on the Islamic prophet Muhammad were published in 2005. A number of violent sequels since, this week saw the assassination of Christopher Stevens, the US ambassador to Libya, and three of his colleagues. The American consulate in Benghazi was attacked largely as a consequence of a low-class amateur video about the Prophet Muhammad, which ironically, had already been condemned by the Obama administration.

In the same week, Egyptian rioters attacked the American embassy in Cairo and protestors broke into the US embassy grounds in Yemen as a result of the same film. Elsewhere in the Islamic world things weren’t all that rosy either.

In Somalia, the life of the newly elected president Hassan Sheikh Mohamud, a civil-rights campaigner, was threatened by a suicide-bomber loyal to an extremist Islamic group. The attack in Mogadishu proved fatal for several other people. In Iraq last week dozens were killed in bombings. In Tunisia, an extremist Islamic group smashed up a bar that serves alcohol. In Syria, the death toll in their civil war rose to above a horrific 25,000 last week.

No doubt some Christian extremists will even be associating the massive factory fire in Pakistan killing hundreds of Muslim workers with some act of divine something-or-other.

The unfortunate association that’s being strengthened here is that there is a solid link between Islam, anger and violence. This is akin to branding a cartload of apples rotten when it is obvious that in reality there are only a couple of seriously dodgy ones in there.

If violence begets violence, then surely current events are evidence enough that even such associations only aggravate matters.

The interesting question for Wonkie is, where are all the religious leaders – and not just the Islamic ones, on all this. Should they not be focusing the attention of the world on the (hopefully) stronger values that their respective religions advocate? All that love, peace, charity, forgiveness and other good stuff? Listen to that silence.

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  1. the reason for the anger is that since 9/11 islam has been persecuted.we are the new communist.the new jews.the bad guy.hear a bomb and immediately its muslims.its like saying all black people in africa are angry.its the majority in the region that are angry and happen to be muslim.its down to respect.not condoning violence at all.sometimes your belief has to be stood up for whether thats religion or human rights

  2. The anger expereinced is only highlighted because the media wishes to point it out every time an Islamic person is involved . It is sad that note that no spotlight is being shed on the injustices that start this cycle of violence. The silence on that one is deafening

  3. These COWARDS use bombs because they to cowardly to take anyone on ONE to ONE.Slimy Fucking Ragheads,trying to force their shitty religion on the world.
    Ragheads Go Back To Your OWN Countries.If you dont like the WEST,Fuck YOU All,Including Mahommed.

  4. Brett Marshall says:

    The first two responses are probably typical of what will be said by muslims writing into this site. Come on guys. First of all, yes, whenever a bomb goes off we do all think, “Muslims”. Maybe that’s because it almost always is. And the other is the famous, “blame the media” response. The media only reports on what’s happening. They don’t make it up. And how would reporting on other violence involving other folk in any way reduce the impression of Islam as a violent, intollerant and generally scary religion?

  5. Brett Marshall says:

    The terrorist bombers may well be cowards, but Dennis, i dont know how brave you are being, saying all of these things anonymously. Some pretty harsh words there dude!

  6. @Dennis – sorry but you are a moronic bigot… how does your comment any value to this discussion? You’re just having a nonsensical, hateful rant – perhaps you need to take a valium and put that condom over your head for a few minutes.

  7. To me this is just proof again that Islam is not as peaceful a religion as the world want us to belief. Most other religions will just shrug shoulders, take it for who it comes and forget about it. But no millions of Moslems are up in arms, killing, looting and breaking.

  8. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    @ ridwaan -Without agreeing that “Islam has been persecuted”, the last twenty or so years have seen a great deal of extremist activity of the terrorist style and the far greater part of this terrorist-style activity has been perpetrated by Islamic fundamental extremists – even against other Islamic groups, as in Mali and Syria.
    On the other hand, the majority of “western” countries have a code which not only permits but encourages freedom of expression.
    These two ideas – fundamental extremism and freedom of speech – are so alien to each other that conflict is inevitable. And so is the “blame game”.
    What Islamic extremists need to understand about mis-guided individuals in the “West” is that their words and actions are not supported by the overwhelming majority – but their right to hold and express their opinions IS upheld by law and by common consent.
    Not having seen even a part of the offending video, I cannot comment on the content. However, there has been enough condemnation of the video from so many sources all around the world that even the most extreme fundamentalist would have to see that it is a tiny bigoted minority who perpetrate such “blasphemies”. Even the Muslim Brotherhood President of Egypt has condemned the actions of the extremist mobs in Libya, Egypt and Yemen.
    No. Islam is not the culprit; Islamic extremists and their skewed view of “western” government responsibility must accept that role as Al-Qaeda and others have done for decades.
    Unfortunately Islam has a lot more than “a few” rotten apples in its barrel.

  9. History repeats itself. Religion has and more than likely will allways be at the core of any and most worldwide conflict. This should not come to us as something new. it has always been violent, irrespective of it being Christian, Muslim, Jewish or Catholic. I am of the humble opinion that if we are as far evolved as we would like to believe and preach, then violence is out of place. It also seems that the more history teaches us, the more we forget what it had taught us and that violence only begets more violence.

  10. Surely there is the point that you have the right to express your opinion on anything including religion. The same is that if you don’t like the opinion being expresses you can react. By react I mean in terms of speech. I do not support anything where an opinion is carried by force.

    I also consider that there is a bunch of people out there who will use any situation to press their point. We have Juli-arse who walks over everyones sensibilities to push his own agenda.

    There are certainly people out there not aligned to the west who will use this kind of situation to forward their plans. The people that they are using to press their point forcibly are also in line with some of our mineworkers. They do not look the most intelligent. Also when you use people that don’t have much you can put forward the point that your target is the reason for their situation.

  11. Wayne, why the hell did you bring up old Tum Tum

  12. Islamic condemnation of related violence is confused, if any. No visible policing of it by the Muslim world. Sad, and dangerous.

  13. Alpha Omega says:

    Good news does not make for interesting news, only bad news, as if we need a reminder how shallow and narrow minded the human population on this world is. Fundamentalists always take the word of their God literally because it suits them, irrespective of religion, this does not mean all Chrsitians, Buhdasts, Islam etc are bad. But wait till American economy falls and the rest of the world with them, then maybe we can get on with our lives and evolve without being sheep in feeling weve have been personelly wronged because some person he she feels insulted. You fele insulted, well good for you, grow a pair and get over yourself, whoever, wherever you, stop shoving your opinion down other people throats…

  14. As long as human beings segregate themselves according to race, religion, creed, nationality, tribe, ethnicity, political philosophy, etc., there will be fierce wars to be fought. What we need is the truth and be prepared to adopt the truth. Truth will unite people into one common genuine goal.

    What I’m trying to say is that is we cannot all do different and opposing things and still think they are all true and leading to better life. In terms of religion for example, we just need to find out which religion has proved to be an epitome of peace and security and its members are all striving for all moral uprightness. If it does exist we must all adopt it; if we don’t find it we must do away with religion completely! Do the same exercise with all the other segregating factors!

  15. OutofAfrica says:

    Dennis – you might want to consider going into hiding!
    I have seen the video but am too busy now to comment. So until I get back, you guys can further enlighten yourselves by reading some facts at http://www.quilliumfoundation.org.

  16. With the utmost respect to the posters on this site, when I hear about a bombing the first thing I think is “terrorist” not “Muslim”. Defending one’s faith is a right each of us has and while I may not be a Muslim myself, I will defend their right to defend their beliefs (so long as such defence is done in a non violent way of course). Not all Muslims are terrorists or bombers and in the same breath not all terrorists and bombers are Muslims. To generalise is to throw fuel onto an already energetic fire so please lets be a little more respectful of each other on here.

    Dear Dennis…you need help. The only person your anger is hurting is you. Muslims have many sects just like Christianity and several other faiths around the world. To call every one of them “ragheads” or “cowards” or “slimy” is not only disrespectful but is also incendiary. It is not the comment of a rational individual but rather the comment of an internet troll looking to start a flame war. Please refrain from such infantile behaviour on this site. While we may get a bit excited at times, the majority of us on this site come here for serious discussion of current events. We as a species will never grow beyond this point of endless violence and hatred if we do not first put away the trappings of hatred such as name calling and mud slinging.

    It is my personal opinion that Muslims are by and large a peaceful lot who have some odd (to me anyway) laws that they follow. I’m sure that to them my religious laws are no less strange. I do not think that they are any more angry than everyone else on the planet is. Generally it is the media’s focus on a subject which then gets sensationalised and blown out of proportion that makes it seem to be worse than it is. How many posters on this site actually personally know someone who was proven to have been targeted by an angry and militant Muslim? I sure don’t although I read about it in the news regularly. I am not saying that there are not angry Muslims, only that the majority of the Muslim people are not militantly angry. Anger is a natural emotion which most of us work through in a healthy way. Militant people just enjoy blowing others up and terrorising them to force them to give their attackers what they want. It is a bullying tactic pure and simple. Be angry at the militant splinter group for their actions not at the entire faith.

  17. Parts of society, and the dominant consciousness of the planet has now conditioned to feel hatred against the diverse faiths of the world, the patriarchal Abrahamic religions.

    Follow the money on this one, and let’s ask who profits the most from sparking world war 3. Remember the attack on the embassy in Libya was carried out by a highly trained and organised militant unit, and not just the protesters.

    As we approach the last equinox, and in preparation for the last quater to the end-time solstice we’ll see the worst, and ultimately the best of what the human soul can ascend to (regardless of your conditioned belief).

  18. OutofAfrica says:

    It is agreed by all those who are qualified to know, that the attack on Benghazi was a planned terrorist attack on America, to co-incide with 9/11. The video itself was just an excuse. Having seen that pathetic home production, in my opinion it is no more insulting to the Islamists, than the insults heaped on Christians. Just to mention a few, the “Piss Christ” photograph by so called artist Andres Seranno in 1987, promoted by the National Endowment of Arts and defended by the New York Times as artistic freedom – sold in London for $162,000 in 1999; The Last Temptation of Christ movie; and more recently a NBC mini-series “Book of Daniel” were Christians are depicted as hypocritical and unbalanced. (Even though some of us might be!)

    The difference is that Christians for the most part, turn the other cheek, whereas Islamists go on the rampage IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. Not only do they chop off the heads of their innocent victims i.e journalist such as Daniel Pearlman, captive soldiers, and others, on video, they slaughter their own people too i.e. Sunnis v Shiites, Muslims who become Christians, even children. They might be a sect of Islam, but they are numerous. Does one see a concerted objection by moderate Muslims and leaders over the Jihadists atrocious behaviour?? Many who do that, end up killed themselves. These are confusing issues for non Muslims, because it surely indicates that the militants could be the majority in the Muslim world?

    So why the double standards, especially in the US. Always apologising to the Muslims but not to Christians? They, especially the present administration, pander to the Muslims and continue to aid them financially even though they are biting the hand that feeds them. Most likely hoping to contain a nuclear threat, capabilities, especially in Pakistan, that the Americans themselves (and others) aided them with. And the Muslims for the most part hate America for all their arrogant interference in the Middle East (and elsewhere I might add) and especially their support of Israel. While that is on the table, hostilities will continue.

    It is trivialising to think this is a cut and dried issue over a stupid video, of which no one seems to know the real facts as yet. The Arab Spring was encouraged by the US but it has already turned into a dark winter for many in the Middle East, and will get darker still.

    And yes, I agree that it is absolutely wrong to insult people and the religion they adhere to, no matter who they are.

  19. OutofAfrica says:

    MORE:
    I have just learned that this video has been on the internet since July, so go figure.
    The article I have pasted below, is from Globe Tribute.Info. It is one of many who are reporting more information, including that the ambassador was sodomised.

    “It was initially reported that US ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens died of smoke inhalation in a safe room. It now turns out that he was, in reality betrayed by his Libyan bodyguards, who pointed him out to terrorists who stormed the embassy. There are now reports from Agence France Presse (AFP), that ambassador Stevens was raped by his captors before being killed.

    In the sanitised accounts of Stevens’ death, he was taken to a hospital after having died of smoke inhalation. The revised accounts, which could be verified or refuted by forensic means, portray a death that was far more brutal than previously known. Stevens was the ambassador of a nation that helped overthrow Muammar Gaddaffy, who was also sexually abused before he was killed. The ostensible reason for the angry demonstrations was to protest the disrespectful treatment of Mohammed in a privately produced video. Shall we infer from these disturbing reports that these actions are condoned by Islam? Will the perpetrators of this murder and all of the crimes that went along with it by given Islamic death penalties? Or is that only for films?

    The producer of “The Innocence of Muslims” has not brought one thousandth on the disgrace that the murder of ambassador Stevens brought to the honour of Islam. It seems highly likely that the Obama administration will suppress the details of ambassador Stevens’ murder. The ostensible reason will be to protect the feelings of the Stevens family. The real reason will be to maintain the myth that the “Arab Spring” was a good thing.

    Confirming or refuting this rumour will be difficult. In all likelihood, autopsy results will be classified. However, behavior of Libyan mobs during pogroms, as well as treatment by Libyans on both sides of this conflict make this story credible. What is wildly implausible is the official story that Stevens was respectfully taken to a hospital after he was found dead of smoke inhalation.”

  20. Terrorism results from the inability to admit that someone else’s views are as relevant to them as your’s are to yourself and are almost exclusively found in persons of low intellectual capacity or those who are easily led.
    The profusion of terrorist organisations in the Islamic world such as Al Qa’ida, Boko Haram, Al Shabaab, Abu Sayyaf, the Taliban and others simply implies that very many Muslims are either stupid or are easily led by those in their religion that easily convince them that an injustice has been done to them and violent retaliation is the only possible response.
    These idiots cannot see that this reaction is at odds with Islam’s basic teachings. Unfortunately those Muslim clerics that declare that anyone who leaves Islam deserves death as does anyone who criticises the religion perpetuates the West’s perception that the religion is evil.
    The inability of the leaders to condemn attacks on Christian churches and their members or to condemn the horrors that Muslims have inflicted in the modern world has resulted in complete alienation of most non-Muslims but also resulted in others converting to Islam in the mistaken belief that they will be spared in future attacks.
    Muslim practices such as genital mutilation and the acceptance of rape of women of a conquered enemy confounds Western beliefs since we cannot comprehend why a woman’s enjoyment of sex is bad but committing a sin by a man is good.

  21. There are 193 member nations that are on the United Nations General Assembly. This collective agency will have in their hearts, the inclination to remove the causes of war and terrorism. They will turn on religion and effectively wipe them out, as they have been the root of all wars perpetrated on mankind. The last one surviving will incur the wrath of the master controlling the United Nations. At this point, the controlling master and his henchman will suffer defeat by a stronger King, who will shred the power of the controlling master, who will in turn become absolutely without power. All those aligned with the United Nations will suffer complete and utter destruction, a selective destruction, survivors being those who do not put their trust in the United Nations to bring about peace to the world of mankind,

  22. Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb says:

    This silly little video has nothing to do with muslin anger. Islam want world domination and any excuse is good enough to instil terror into people. Look at their sharia laws. Stoning woman to death, chopping heads off for nothing, slitting peoples thoats, debauched sex with girls of 13 years of age who become slaves under the guise of wives. Sodomising their innocent victims. I could go on and on. All you have to do is to look at history over the centuries up to now. With a few exceptions, muslims don’t integrate. They mix with other religions for business purposes only. How many of you have ever been invited into a muslim home where the men eat on their own and the women serve them and only eat after the men are finished. I am not a muslim but have read the Quran and although most muslims are charming when talking or dealing with a person, that is just a mask for the public, in private they hold us all in contempt. We must not forget that they forced their religion in Asia and Middle east through torture and murder of men, women and children. The Christiands were also cruel but only for a short period but the muslims have gone on for centuries. I know the Middle East and let me remind you that the muslims are the ones that are being intollerant to other religions, burning churches, christians, etc…So all you pacifists and goody goodies out there with your pseudo-intellectuals theories, open your eyes and don’t try and cover up for these evil people. And to the western ladies…don’t get involved with Muslim men. These men will never change their culture or see your point of view. Italy is full of cases where christian women live with muslim men i.e. moroccans etc, produce children and when they stand up for their rights their husbands, partners, etc. slaughter them with their knives in their own homes. I do agree Muslim men are mostly good looking, but pse don’t be deceived. Anyway have any of you seen or heard SA Muslims condemning these muslim barbarians that slaughter anything in sight? They all keep very quiet, but let a non-Muslim say something and the whole community writes letters of complaint to the various newspapers. A Muslim Professor, (an enlightened person) once told me that there are in SA very powerful and rich Muslim families, who because of money interests or beliefs contribute to muslim causes overseas. SA has for many years also got an Al-Qaeda cell kept alive by these families. You must try and read some of the Muslim newspapers circulating in Lenasia and the Cape. The hate speeches against the west and other religions are legendary. There, of course, some good things and my admiration and respect goes to the Muslim Field Hospitals. But of course, these are not run by bigots. Emanuelita

  23. Everyone has a lot to say and tries to say it in such a way that it sounds like wisdom. Eventually though, most of the comments can be shown to be either pro or con, while some are actually rabid, foam-at-the-mouth fundamentalist of one sort or another. This sort of thing will not change until all of humanity will come to realize that ALL religion is insane. There is not much hope that this will happen, but more people have been killed, persecuted and maimed in the name of faith, whatever its roots, than by any other issue. All faiths are against all others, mainly in the belief that one’s own is the only true one. But think: how does anyone know any such thing? Believers are the cannon fodder, and are used for purposes that are ultimately political. The only answer would be to wipe ALL belief from the mind of mankind and to replace it with reason. Emanuelita, what do you know about Italy and how?

  24. Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb says:

    What you say is correct but there is a big but….The Muslims don’t respect any religion except their own. This is there for all to see. They slaughter people like cattle. Just look at their history. Christians had also a short period of torture, murder etc. But then it stopped and we all became more civilised. A Muslim will not change..they treat women like shit…they revolt and burn and kill at the least little excuse. They cannot accept that Mahomed was a holy man like any other and therefore are blind to his faults. For centuries Muslims have tried to impose their will on everyone, but most of them are too evil to ever succeed. Anyway anything on the prophet Mahomed is just an excuse to burn and murder. Most of them are just debauched Al-Qaeda members or sympathisers who forced people to convert to Islam through torture and murder for centuries Let’s pray that God keeps us from Islam and its evil sharia laws.

  25. Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb says:

    Dear Armando

    I am Italian, from Florence even if I live in SA. Have studied politics and various religions for years as I have always been intrigued by the East, besides having experience on the ground. I try and keep abreast of what is happening in Italy and in the world and I try to read some newspapers for and against us westerners. I am an admirer of the eastern poets, writers and some of their culture, but not the cruel and unreasonable sharia law as interpreted by many Muslims, especially women having to live like slaves and forbidden any contact with anyone but intimate family. Look at the various extremists in various nations. I believe in common sense and reason but the majority of the masses, especially the very poor, are brainwashed by their supposed-to-be leaders and they obey without question. How do you explain the murder and torture of innocent people? I agree in what you are saying as Karl Marx wrote “Religion is the opium of the people”. Yet in time of trouble, don’t we all say “Oh my God pse help me”. I believe that there is one supreme being as it makes me feel comfortable, but many of my friends don’t even believe in that as they say “If there is a God, Why does he allow so much misery in the world and why is evil and ignorance so successful”. Your name is very Mediterranean. Where do you come from? I hope you’ll find my answer interesting. Regards

  26. OutofAfrica says:

    Armando – Who is going to do the ‘wiping out of all belief’ from mankind? That sounds like some diabolical concept! And by whose definition is ‘reason’?
    It is not ‘faith’ that kills people, but the depravity of man that uses ‘religion’ as an excuse to exercise their evil intents.
    The mind sees what the heart wants to believe.

  27. OutofAfrica says:

    For those interested in history and politics, here is an excerpt from REAP THE WHIRLWIND that appeared in CanadaFreePress this week.

    In 1219, the Shah of the Islamic Khwarezmid Empire (present day Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan), Ala ad-Din Muhammad had the ambassadors of Genghis Khan killed.  This affront to diplomatic convention led to a devastating invasion and the total destruction of the Khwarezmid Empire.

    No one would advocate the slash-and-burn/take-no-prisoner response of the Mongols in the thirteenth century.  However, to allow the first murder of an American ambassador since the Carter debacle to go unanswered is beyond the pale of poor leadership straying towards the realm of either complete ineptitude or dereliction of duty.
     
    President Obama reminds us at every turn that Islam is the religion of peace.  He also goes out of his way to teach us about the many contributions Muslims have made to world civilization.  He even told NASA Administrator Charles Bolden that his most important mission as the head of America’s space agency is to improve relations with the Muslim world.  There is a pattern here.  Mr. Obama is using the Bully Pulpit and every avenue available to him as the most powerful man in the world to sow the wind with the seeds of Islam’s rise and America’s decline.
    Being a Historian I have an opinion on the peaceful History of Islam.  It is fiction.  Islam has been a religion of war since its invention.  Over and over Islamic powers and movements have attacked those who choose not to follow their prophet.  They also forbid the free exercise of religion in any land unfortunate enough to fall under their power. They deny human rights, political rights, and economic rights.  They oppress women making them possessions of their fathers, husbands, or brothers in a legal code based upon the very foundation of the religion: the Koran.
    Have Christians done things wrong?  Yes.  Every Christian Historian, Theologian, and Preacher has branded the Crusades, the Inquisition, and the Encomienda System of forced labor and conversion in Spanish America as aberrations and a blight upon the faith.  Were these horrendous crimes as terrible as those of Islam?  Yes.  The difference is that they were all clearly contrary to the Bible which forms the basis for Christian faith while the depredations of Islam are the logical expressions of the Koran.

    According to his school records in Indonesia Mr. Obama was listed as a Muslim.  He attended Islamic education during the six years he lived there which was mandatory in all schools in Indonesia at that time.  He tells us that the morning call to prayer is the most beautiful sound on earth.  A Pew Research study finds that 17% of registered voters believe Barack Hussein Obama (the name he used when he was sworn in to be our president) is a Muslim.  Thirty one percent said they weren’t sure.  What evidence has not been sealed by presidential order is conflicting and confusing.  He says he isn’t.  He says he is a Christian, and I cannot know his heart.  We can judge his actions.  For over twenties years he was a member of the church of Reverend Jeremiah Wright whose brand of racist Black Liberation Theology is a branch of the worldwide Liberation Theology movement which has been branded as a heresy by the Catholic Church where it was born as well as by leaders of most other denominations.  It is widely regarded as the Christianized version of Marxism.

    In the past three + years Barak Obama has done everything imaginable to advance the cause of radical Islam by giving major speeches in Egypt and Turkey where he assured the world America is not a Christian nation,  Supporting a Mosque at Ground Zero, approving and supporting the so-called Arab Spring that toppled regimes supportive of America and installed Islamist ones.  Now paraphrasing his pastor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright who was quoting Malcolm X, Barack’s chickens are coming home to roost.  Only it is our brave Foreign Service workers and representatives who are paying the price.

    As Americans are shocked by the violence in the Mideast because of a movie, does anyone in the media reflect on the fact that American Christians don’t behave this way when their religion is insulted and denigrated even when it is done at taxpayers’ expense?  No, the Corporations Once Called the Mainstream Media drank too much Kool-Aide and are too far in the tank for the Progressives to mention anything like that.  Instead they defend an administration whose well-worn socialist slogan is, “Forward” and whose answer for everything is “It’s somebody else’s fault.

    In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries the Ottoman Empire which had once ruled from India to Morocco and from Arabia to Vienna was known as the Sick Man of Europe.  It was still vast in extent, rich in trade and natural resources, but its economy was in a shambles and consequently it was no longer able to maintain its military power and was now the victim of continuous attacks and invasions by neighbors who wanted a little plunder or territory.  Britain took Egypt.  Spain took Morocco.  Italy took Libya.  Serbia, Greece, and Romania first gained their independence and then started chewing off piece after piece as the Turks blustered and pretended that they were still a great power long after the national will to do what was necessary to remain a power had vanished.
    Under the pro Islamist, anti-colonial leadership of Barack Obama, America is careening towards a foreign policy of defeat and shame.  His domestic agenda is spending us into oblivion and the poor house.

    The recent tragic events in Egypt and Libya, the on-going turmoil throughout the Islamic world and its violence against Americans all ostensibly over a movie shows the religion of peace for what it really is: a religion of intolerance, hatred, and war.  These same events and our reaction to them show the Obama administration for what it is too: the Sick Man of American History.

    Dr. Robert R. Owens
    Dr. Owens teaches History, Political Science, Religion, and Leadership for Southside Virginia Community College. 

  28. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    @ OutofAfrica – it sounds as though your good Doctor Robert R Owens is a believer in Nostradamus and has appointed the US President as the “Third Anti-Christ” who, through sophistry, will win the adulation of the majority of mankind before turning the world over to Satan just before the “final battle between Good and Evil”

  29. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    21-12-2012 is coming – and quickly – but not until after the US Presidential election.

  30. OutofAfrica says:

    ‘Corny – for some politically divergent Americans I know, the election results will either be the end of the world or the beginning of it. Time will tell what it means for the rest of us, but don’t bet on 21-12-2012. Not even the Maya did. Cheers.

  31. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    And thereby hangs a tale – or, in the case of some of the Americans you know, perhaps a tail.

  32. What really irks me is the ‘one-way-street’. Westerners always have to make allowances for Muslims, eg special food, toilets, prayer rooms etc. in Western countries, but when Westerners go to Muslim countries the Westerners have to follow all the Muslim rules, eg. dress, food, drink etc. Very lopsided ! One can get a Halaal meal on any Western airliner, but see if you can get a ham sandwich and a whisky on a Muslim airliner ? Fat chance !

  33. The whole thing is blown out of proportion. The movie was made by Christian fundamentalists to stir Islamic anger. While we must condemn the reaction it is not solely at the movie ,it is a reaction to the behaviour of the USA in the Middle East and Central Asia and is a culmination of many incidents. The burning of the Quran, Pissing on dead militants, Killing innocent civilians, raping women and children The Collateral damage of drone strikes, the list is endless but the main gripe is the USA indirect occupation of the region and the wars to occupy the region. The people are very angry and their puppet governments can do nothing about it so they go on the rampage. Not that Christians are much better throughout history they have conquered and pillaged in the name of God. The Western Empires either forced local people into Christianity or they destroyed them, they even had wars botyh across borders and civil to force their particular brand of Christianity. The Jews are no better, The Book of Joshua talks of the genocide against the Canaanites by the successor to Moses, which now gives justification to the Jews and fundamental Christians to occupy Palestinian land.
    In the USA freedom of speech goes hand in hand with freedom of religion according to the first amendment to the Constitution, but you would be hard pressed to believe it. Objectors to the Iraq and Afghan wars were treated like traitors, the press was too scared to say it as it was and even now you are considered a traitor and a terrorist if you dissent. It appears as if Homeland security has trumped the constitution. One can only hope that amongst the plethora of laws in the USA there is at least one they can charge the perpetrator of the outrageous movie. Not only is it Insulting it is historically very incorrect.

  34. OutofAfrica says:

    Garth: My posted excerpt from Dr. Owens gives some accurate facts about history. Christians no longer slaughter but Islamists continue.
    In my opinion you use the word Christian Fundamentalists rather loosely; ‘they made the movie and occupy Palestine.’ Is that a Freudian slip? And what exactly is a Christian fundamentalist?

    No one as yet has any definite information about this video and who made it. Terry Jones, a hate monger who disguises as a Christian, exactly to bring disrepute to the faith with people looking for a reason to be critical, has been mentioned only once. Rumours abound. Even that the main man is a government informer! He is a convicted felon with an Arab name of Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, who describes his background as Coptic Christian. (perhaps with an axe to grind against Islamists who routinely persecute the Copts in Eqypt.)

    So the truth is not yet out, and might never be, since as you say, freedom of speech is in doubt these days. I think this guy is going to be the US administration scape goat.

    And as you say, this has been blown out of proportion. One cannot even call it a movie with any historical content because there was none. The people who ‘acted’ in it say that their dialogue was not as it appears. It was supposed to be a “Desert Love Story”! The main lecher was called Mohammed, but who in the Arab world is not?? Intelligence people agree that this video has been manipulate and dubbed over by Islamists who have had it in their possession for months. If you want to get really accurate information about Islam, look up quilliamfoundation.org. They are a Muslim think tank working against extremism from all quarters, and know exactly what goes on.

  35. A Christian fundamentalist is similar to a Muslim fundamentalist or indeed any fundamentalist. They all believe only they are right and they are willing to kill or go to war for something that cannot be proved.
    Fundmentalism is usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. In recent years it has also come to mean violent or aggressive opposition to any view but their own.
    OutofAfrica states that Christians no longer slaughter but Islamists continue. we must ask him what has he been smoking. What have the USA been doing with their wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

  36. OutofAfrica says:

    Listen Garth, first of all I am a woman who does not smoke, but I do enjoy scotch on the rocks once in a while.
    Secondly, you can look up http://www.apologeticsindex.org to get the real explanation for what a Fundamentalist Christian was/is.
    Thirdly, you are totally wrong about the US wars in Iraq and Afghanistan being about Christianity. It is all about politics, oil, money, greed and the US thinking they have to be Top Dog. For these reasons they meddle and destabilise all over the world. And if it were not them being top dog, it will be another power. That has been the nature of man since day one.
    Fourthly, don’t allow your male ego to dictate how you carry on any discussions. We have managed to be civil up till now.

  37. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    @ Garth and OutoAfrica
    Firstly, I’m NOT a woman and my male ego doesn’t dictate – Me, Myself and I are a democracy!
    Secondly, I DO smoke – but not the wacky tabacky.
    Thirdly, I also enjoy scotch – on the rocks or off, depending on the scotch.
    Most importantly, you two seem to have so much in common concerning your global views and seem to more or less agree on the points brought up by Wonkie – so STOP SQUABBLING – it ill becomes you both.

  38. OutofAfrica says:

    Thanks Corny – you are quite right. It is always my intent to share facts and knowledge as I think they are applicable (and not necessarily hold to completely every time) However, when personal aspersions begin, I leave the room. Cheers.

  39. Out of Africa, I should have guessed.

  40. Why Muslims are so easily provokable – by mere amateur movie this time; it’s like they are always ready to wage war – Jihad! Doesn’t Koran have verses like:

    Matthew 5:39,44,45 . . .”whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him. . .Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU; that YOU may prove yourselves sons of YOUR Father who is in the heavens, since he makes…his sun rise upon wicked people and good and makes it rain upon righteous people and unrighteous.”

    Romans 12:17 . . .”Return evil for evil to no one. Provide fine things in the sight of all men.”

    Proverbs 25:21 . . .”If the one hating you is hungry, give him bread to eat; and if he is thirsty, give him water to drink.”

    1 John 4:20 . . .”If anyone makes the statement: “I love God,” and yet is hating his brother, he is a liar. For he who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot be loving God, whom he has not seen.”

    TO ME IT’S LIKE THEY ARE TAUGHT THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THESE BIBLICAL VERSES. IF I DIE TONITE BECAUSE OF THIS POSTING, AT LEAST U KNOW WHO IS RESPOSIBLE!

  41. OutofAfrica says:

    Garth: LOL – I will take that as a compliment :)

  42. Male ego’s, I wonder if that equates to Female egos.

    Idiom: Walk a mile in my shoes
    This idiom means that you should try to understand someone before criticizing them. “Until you have walked in my shoes, please don’t judge me…”

    Original Source:
    It is a Cherokee prayer directly translated:

    “Oh Great Spirit grand that I may never find fault with my neighbor until I have walked the trail of life in his moccasins.”

  43. @Dennis u lil c*&T
    September 14th, 2012 at 11:30 am
    These COWARDS use bombs because they to cowardly to take anyone on ONE to ONE.Slimy Fucking Ragheads,trying to force their shitty religion on the world.
    Ragheads Go Back To Your OWN Countries.If you dont like the WEST,Fuck YOU All,Including Mahommed

    FIRSTLY IT WAS THE AMERICANS COWARDS WHO BOMBARDED AVGHANISTAN FOR WEEKS BEFORE THEY SET FOOT , TO DAMN SCARED TO ENGAGE IN COMBAT TIL TODAY

    AS FOR YOUR SECOND COMENT ABOUT GOING BACK TO THEIR OWN COUNTRIES ??? YOU IDIOT WHO THE HELL INVADED WHO ? IF THE AMERICANS DIDINT SHOVE THEIR NOSES UP ARAB ARSE AND CHANGED THEIR FOREIGN POLICY THERED BE NO HATRED

    THIRDLY U LIL NIPPER
    PROVE YOURSELF SOMETHING ELSE BUT A COWARD AND NAME YOUR SELF AND PHYSICAL ADRESS OF EMPLOYMENT AND RESIDENCE BEFORE YOU SWEAR ME OR MY PROPHET

    OR ELSE CRAWL UP UR MUMS HARY VAGINA AND STAY OF THIS FORUM

  44. Harry, first of all fuck Dennis his comments are totally out of line. He knows nothing, many Moslems have been in the west for Centuries. Some wnt as slaves, others as soldiers, others as workers and some as businessmen. They had as much right to immigrate anywhere, as much right as Europeans to invade and occupy Africa and the Americas. Send all the whites home from Africa, Australia, Canada, the USA, all of Latin America because that’s your message arsehole. I did not mention New Zealand because those keep fit rugger buggers can keep the place. As for all this religious nonsense, with 5000 odd Christian sects all believing something different, with differing views by many Moslims and with most Jews being secular, who really cares. Anti US anger is more about their hegemony than any stupid religion.

  45. haffy, if you are a muslim you denigrate an already despised religion by your vulgarity. It is you who should stay off this forum.
    How were the eight South Africans, killed by a cowardly suicide bomber, responsible for a stupid You Tube post? At least the bomber is now dead and certain to now be in Hell, as that is where murderers go.
    Do you get upset when your co-religionists bomb Christian churches?
    Both religions worship the same God but I am certain that he gives up on the vitriolic reaction that results whenever anybody dares to criticise your prophet, who after all was only a man.
    Certainly there are many good Muslims who will go to Heaven/Paradise but definitely not those that kill innocent people, rape enemy women, rampage and pillage whenever they feel aggrieved, or force their female family members to have what is more correctly termed ”genital mutilation” so that the beauty of sex is denied to them.

  46. Tony. Did Muslims piss on Christian captives, did Muslims burn the bible, did Muslims invade a country because of a lie. Did Muslims kill thousands of people with a drone. Get real they don’t have tanks, f22s or super automatic weapons.

  47. religion despised by whom ? let me tell you there was no christianity , there was only jesus and his religion . so if im dispised or my religion is dispised by chistians then im not cared, for all i care its a religion that was invented by the followers of jesus to allow the a license to as they please !

    if your child ,a grown adult commitsa murder wil you be punished for his her offence ? will you serve the life term ? wil that be fair ?
    then how can jesus atone for the sins of your nation ?
    Its no wonder why your religion is so loose

    before you say cowardly bomber id like you to answer the following

    What were those foreig workers doing in avghanistan ?
    who did they work for ?

    were they on the side of the invaded country ? or where they working for the invaders and abbetting the invasion ?

    it was darn choice to go there and it was the only choice of that poor soul who killed them to do so! he was part of a greater plan.

    THE PLAN TO KICK THE PIG EATING WESTERNERS OUT OF HIS COUNTRY

  48. haffy, try a pork roast, pork ribs, pork chops or even a pork pie and you would be so stunned by the delicious flavour that you might give up your religion from hell.
    It was because of the poor state that pigs were kept in the humans contracted diseases from them such as Taenia Solium (pig tapeworm) and these animals were naturally deemed unclean. Modern health imperatives have resulted in only a miniscule number of persons being susceptible to pig related diseases.
    God made pigs as he did humans but your laws that were promulgated in the middle ages are still in force and are an insult to our creator.

  49. you make me laugh Tony
    yes its true god did create pigs , tony and aids , so are we meant to eat or like all that god created ?

    I pray that god guides you the religion that allows you to worship him and him alone and if thats not the case you pick up swine flu or foot and mouth and suffer for your sins

  50. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    @ Tony & haffy & HAFFY (I suppose the UPPER CASE one is the angry one)
    My mother taught me not to argue with a fool because the next person might not be able to tell which is the fool.
    You are both sounding like it, so maybe you ARE both fools!

  51. OutofAfrica says:

    ‘Corny – and my father used to say in agreement “hoor hoor”!

  52. Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb says:

    No Garth, Muslim don’t piss on people, Muslim cut their throats instead Muslim don’t burn a few copies of the bible in anger but burn christian churches with any person inside for no reason whatsoever. The majority of Muslims are incestuous and greedy. Worst than the people belonging to other religions. They treat women and little girls cruelly. Perhaps you should read the book Oriana Fallaci wrote on Muslims. She was a war correspondent in Muslim countries. Nations do invade other nations when they feel threatened. Why don’t so-called good Muslims ever complain or condemn the cruelty of their fellow Muslims on innocent people? Iraq did have weapons of self destruction. They used them on the Kurds. Iraq just got rid of them and passed these weapons to other countries just to confuse the West. As far as Afghanistan is concerned, did you prefer the Talibans to rule with their mass executions and their stupid interpretation of Sharia law? In the name of all women including modern thinking muslim women… Do us a favour and go to hell where your ideas belong. By the way although a Christian, I am a vegetarian. By the way a better religion than Islam is Buddhism. Actually most religions are better than Islam with its dark ages mentality and sick-in-the-head Imams.

  53. Tony and HAFFY don’t you know there is no such thing as God. He was invented by primitives to keep their people oppressed and to encourage them to fight wars on behalf of the elites They needed to keep them in order so that they could pay taxes and e-tolls. It is better that you keep religion ot of Wonkie because it only inflames the bigots among us.

  54. Rastelli, It was Americans who pissed on Muslims, it was Americans who burned the Quran, It was Americans who invaded Iraq based on a lie, There were no weapons of mass destruction. How the Taliban run their country is nobody’s business but their own. We will have a permanent war if we don’t stop meddling in other countries. However your wonderful Americans committed genocide among their own indigenous people, as an example it was Americans who slaughtered unarmed women and children at Wounde Knee, Sand River and elsewhere. It was Americans who crossed the Canadian border to eliminate the Nez Perc tribe. The last Comanche died at Big Bend Texas in 1966. Nobody complained.

  55. Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb says:

    Listen here Garth darling….The Americans pissed on dead muslims..Muslims cut the throat of people that are alive. The Americans burnt ONLY a few copies of the Quran a book that was written long after the Holy Prophet Mahomed died and therefore is full of distortions and cruel rules created by men to dictate to innocent human beings. While Muslims burn churches and non-muslims alike. On what planet have you been living? Or what are you SMOKING?…. Is it possible that with all the evidence before you cannot see the truth?. The Talibans had no right to rule Afghanistan, which did not belong them as they were mostly Pakistanis from the Islamic University in Pakistan and no right to massacre thousands of people, men, women and children on their soccer fields or to destroy historical monuments that were not harming anyone. They were trying to wipe out anything or any person that did not agree with them. If South Africa was ruled by “Christian Talibans”, by now they would have made mince meat out of people like you.
    So pse take the blinkers off and think. Would you like to go without medical care and schooling just because you are woman? Fundamentalists Muslims are a cancer to civilisation and should be eliminated. This will come I promise you. Maybe not in my lifetime because people have had enough of Muslims demands. In muslims countries you get jailed are murdered if you dont’ obey their rules, yet muslims go western countries and demand that mosques (most of them dens of spies and hatred)be build, and their “muslims rights” be respected, even if they slaughter their families that want to be westernised and their women go around in a Burka which is a danger to the security of society. Anyone can hide a bomb under those tent-like garments. I suggest you do some factual reading, travel to one of those countries and you’ll open your eyes ands be thankful that you live in a western type country and not a muslim one. I do hope you reply to me as you come across as an intelligent person, but this time get ALL YOUR “DUCKS IN A ROW” before you do. Regards Emanuelita Rastelli-Webb

  56. OutofAfrica says:

    Hehehe, Garth darling, it’s best not to tangle with us women!

  57. Garth Darling says:

    Rastelli and Africa, Please don’t take your PMS out on me. My argument is simple you cannot and must not practise hatred against any group. I do not discriminate against Muslims, Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, Rastafarians or members of other exotic religions. Freedom of religion, gives us all the right to worship whosoever we want to. It also gives us all the right not to worship anyone, even the great pumpkin. It is also unfair to compare all the multifarious atrocities caused by different religions. Whether they were this year or 2000 years ago they are all bad.

  58. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    @ Garth – you say: “My argument is simple you cannot and must not practise hatred against any group.”
    Now that you have signed in as ‘Garth Darling’, can all of us guys out here also call you “Darling”? Then, perhaps we can all (keep in) touch (with) your feminine side.

  59. No, yu cant call me darling that is reserved for sweet little Africa. She sounds hot.

  60. OutofAfrica says:

    Garth darling, ah, how sweet; is this a cyber ‘come on’? You might change your mind if so, when I tell you that I am almost a septuagenarian! But don’t despair. Below follows some wisdom about us older women, as written by Andy Rooney:

    WOMEN OVER 50

    “As I grow in age, I value women over 50 most of all. Here are just a few reasons why:

    A woman over 50 will never wake you in the middle of the night and ask, ‘What are you thinking?’ She doesn’t care what you think.

    If a woman over 50 doesn’t want to watch the game, she doesn’t sit around whining about it. She does something she wants to do, and it’s usually more interesting.

    Women over 50 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won’t hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.

    Older women are generous with praise, often undeserved. They know what it’s like to be unappreciated.

    Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to a woman over 50.

    Once you get past a wrinkle or two, a woman over 50 is far sexier than her younger counterpart. Older women are forthright and honest.. They’ll tell you right off if you are a jerk or if you are acting like one. You don’t ever have to wonder where you stand with her.

    Yes, we praise women over 50 for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it’s not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coiffed, hot woman over 50, there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22-year old waitress. Ladies, I apologize.

    For all those men who say, ‘Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?’ Here’s an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage. Why? Because women realize it’s not worth buying an entire pig just to get a little sausage!”

    Love it!

  61. OutofAfrica says:

    Garth darling; how sweet of you! Is that a cyber “come on”? You might think twice when I tell you I am almost a septuagenarian. But don’t despair. Here is some wisdom about us older women, as written by Andy Rooney.

    “As I grow in age, I value women over 50 most of all. Here are just a few reasons why:

    A woman over 50 will never wake you in the middle of the night and ask, ‘What are you thinking?’ She doesn’t care what you think.

    If a woman over 50 doesn’t want to watch the game, she doesn’t sit around whining about it. She does something she wants to do, and it’s usually more interesting.

    Women over 50 are dignified. They seldom have a screaming match with you at the opera or in the middle of an expensive restaurant. Of course, if you deserve it, they won’t hesitate to shoot you, if they think they can get away with it.

    Older women are generous with praise, often undeserved. They know what it’s like to be unappreciated.

    Women get psychic as they age. You never have to confess your sins to a woman over 50.

    Once you get past a wrinkle or two, a woman over 50 is far sexier than her younger counterpart.Older women are forthright and honest.. They’ll tell you right off if you are a jerk or if you are acting like one. You don’t ever have to wonder where you stand with her.

    Yes, we praise women over 50 for a multitude of reasons. Unfortunately, it’s not reciprocal. For every stunning, smart, well-coiffed, hot woman over 50, there is a bald, paunchy relic in yellow pants making a fool of himself with some 22-year old waitress. Ladies, I apologize.

    For all those men who say, ‘Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?’ Here’s an update for you. Nowadays 80% of women are against marriage. Why? Because women realize it’s not worth buying an entire pig just to get a little sausage!”
    Love it!

  62. As graduate with majors in Anthropology, Classical History, and Comparative Religion. I do nt see any point in comparing atrocities and who did what to whom. It seems that Islam gets more blame than Colonialism, Slavery, Genocide, all committed by Western Empires. ( not all but many ). Therefore, stop telling us how wonderful some are and how bad the others are. By the way the movie is an atrocity and the overreaction is another atrocity.
    Africa, you had me worried there. I thought you may be my wife she is teacher (retired) and is always correcting my Ingliss.

  63.  
     Africa, here’s a short story for you
     
     
    THE OLDER WOMAN 

     I ended up with an older woman at a club last night.                  
    She looked OK for a 61 year-old.                                        
    In fact, she wasn’t too bad at all, and I found myself thinking that she probably had a really hot daughter.  
                                                
    We drank a bit, and had a bit of a snuggle, and then she asked if I’d ever Had a Sportsman’s Double.                                
    ‘What’s that?’ I asked.
    ‘It’s a mother and daughter threesome,’ she said. 
    I said, ‘No,’  - excitedly.  
                                                    
    We drank a bit more, then she says that tonight was ‘my lucky night’.  
          
    I went back to her place.  
                                                          
    She put on the hall light and shouted upstairs: ‘Mum, you still awake?’  ………. 
     
     
                          
     
     
     
     
     
     

     

  64. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    I repeat what I said in the “5 things you can learn from Julius Malema” blog:

    ‘Garth “Darling” – your age is showing – you are repeating yourself. (spelling mistakes and all!!!)’

    Substitute “OutofAfrica” for “Garth”

  65. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    Sorry “Africa” – no spelling mistakes.

  66. OutofAfrica says:

    Garth dear, your curriculum vitae is very impressive! There is no argument with you about not hating others. A word of wisdom; “Disagreement does not equal rejection”.

  67. The only reason I put out a CV was so I could tell Tony he is twit. There are many theories what pork is considered abominable by Jews, Muslims early Christians and some modern ones. And the belief does not go back to the middle ages. It belongs to Antiquity and the Middle East. Marvin Harris the great and controversial anthropologist, argues that BC all fields were tilled and watered manually, poor soils, extreme heat constant drought meant there were always food shortages. Pigs eat the same food as humans and competed with the locals. The locals had no way of enforcing laws on food production. Because their leadership, King, chiefs etc.. Were also the religious leaders they passed religious taboo on the eating of pork. Thus when Judaism came into being they kept the taboo as did the other religions that came after. The taboo was included in the Quran because it was a common practice. The ban on pork did not happen in the middle ages it happened long before that and was universal among middle eastern religions including many pagan ones. Try reading some of the books by Marvin Harris they explain much about food and more about anthropology.
    Another word of wisdom “idiots are sometimes right”.

  68. Garth I said that the Islamic laws were promulgated in the middle ages.
    Islam did not exist BC.
    The eating of meat from pigs is acceptable to certain both Jews and Muslims who are aware that modern health requirements ensure that it is free of possible pathogens.
    The fact that their religions ban the eating of it is based solely on historical concepts. Those that abide by those laws have every right to do so but have no right to deny the rights of others.
    The belief that only Muslims can enter Heaven is at odds with the beliefs of many of their adherents that committing murder or rape is acceptable.

  69. a-maize-ingly-corny says:

    Many years ago, my wife and I were great friends with an American-Jewish family from Brooklyn, New York, N.Y.
    His mother kept “modern kosher” in that, instead of two sets of pots and pans, one for meat and the other for dairy, she kept THREE sets – the third for PORK.

  70. Tony, Islamic laws were promulgated by Mohammed and his followers in the 8th century but many were syncretised or derived from existing religion of which some go back long before the Christian Era. (Judaism, Mithraism, Pantheism, Zoroastrianism). All meat contains pathogens and must either be raised properly or cooked properly. In many countries there are a plethora of laws which control the slaughter of meat.. For instance if an animal has been used for breeding or its above a certain age or weight it cannot be slaughtered for human consumption. I used to run a pig farm, porkers were sent to the abbatoir at 50 kgs and baconers were sent at 100 kgs. We started on super pigs at 150 kgs but they had to have a lower percentage of back fat and be under 18 months. Also abbatoir methods such as vacuuming meat of the bone and the contents of the spinal cord and the inclusion of that meat in concoctions such as polony and other sausages has been banned in many places as it was thought that mad cow disease was spread by that process. Unfortunately many people will kill an old cow, or sow or ewe and roast it over a fire. Hence the custom among rural people to overcook the meat. (or curry it).

  71. The belief by many muslims have that only Muslims can enter heaven is the same as those Christians who believe only they will enter heaven. Seeing as there is no evidence for the existence of heaven, and who knows what it looks like this seems a stupid and fallacious belief. Are we to go around believing the words of a fanatical hippy from 2000 or so years ago.

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